[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [維摩經略疏垂裕記](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1779) › 4.158 # 維摩經略疏垂裕記 4.158 維摩經略疏垂裕記 4.158 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [4.158](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1779.4.158) 四、撿水。「水若至汝亦是」者，此舉水例難有神也。「汝若言人能慈」下，隨物知有神，且水是無情而能潤下，隨器潤下何殊慈思，隨器方圓何殊隨物。人若有神，水亦應有；若謂水無，人亦應無。故云「汝亦如是」。四句撿水者，謂有謂無兩亦雙非悉是住義，不起四執方名不住。此撿四大文，皆引《請觀音》者，即彼經身子為優波斯那說四大無主，二入於如實之際也。彼亦在衍，與此意同。廣釋彼經破四大，如《止觀》隨自意中。 > Fourth, examining water. Regarding "if water arrives, you are also thus," this adduces water as an analogy to challenge the existence of a soul. From "if you say a person can be compassionate" downward, following things to know that there is a soul: water is insentient yet able to moisten downwards; moistening downwards according to the vessel, how does it differ from compassionate thought? Conforming to the square or round shape of the vessel, how does it differ from following things? If a person has a soul, water should also have one; if water is said to lack one, a person should also lack one. Hence it says, "You are also like this." Examining water through the four propositions means that asserting existence, asserting non-existence, asserting both, and negating both are all notions of abiding; only when the four attachments do not arise is it called non-abiding. These passages examining the four great elements all cite the Qing Guanyin jing; in that sūtra Śāriputra expounds to Upasena that the four great elements lack a master and both enter into the limits of true reality. That \[sūtra\] also belongs to the Mahāyāna, sharing the same intention as this. The extensive explanation of that sūtra's refutation of the four great elements is as found under the 'Self-willed \[Samādhi\]' in the Mohe zhiguan. > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 4.157](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1779.4.157) - [Next: 4.159](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1779.4.159) - [Up: 4](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1779.4) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1779~en-mt.4.158) — English, machine translation --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1779.4.158](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1779.4.158) · Pramāṇa