[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [俱舍論記](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821) › 19.213 # 俱舍論記 19.213 俱舍論記 19.213 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [19.213](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.19.213) 「謂若有問至應反詰記」者，答。想謂想蘊。又解：想者謂名，名從想生或能生想，從想為名，行蘊所攝。若有問云：士夫想，與我為一？為異耶？應反詰言：汝依何我作如是問？若言依麁五蘊假我，應記與想異。若依汝執別有真實細我，不可言一異。問：想即五蘊攝，寧得言異？解云：除士夫想，計餘五蘊為我，故言想異。又解：我有二種，一麁、二細。若言依麁色蘊假我，應記與想異，想非色故。若言依細四蘊假我，還應反詰：依何細我？若言依餘三蘊，應記與想異；若言依想，應答一。麁我與想決定異故，論文偏舉；細我不定，略而不說。此問名為應反詰記。 > On the passage from "Namely, if someone asks" to "should be answered by counter-questioning": an answer. "Perception" refers to the perception aggregate (saṃjñā-skandha). Another explanation: "perception" refers to name; names arise from perception or are able to generate perception, so they take their name from perception and are subsumed under the aggregate of formations (saṃskāra-skandha). If someone asks: "Is the perception of a person identical with or different from the self?" one should counter-question: "Relying on what self do you ask such a question?" If they say relying on the coarse, provisional self of the five skandhas, one should answer that it is different from perception. If they rely on the distinct, real, subtle self they grasp at, one cannot say it is identical or different. Question: Perception is subsumed under the five skandhas; how can one say it is different? Explanation: Excluding the perception of a person, one posits the remaining skandhas as the self, hence one says it is different from perception. Another explanation: The self is of two kinds: first, coarse; second, subtle. If they say relying on the coarse provisional self of the form aggregate, one should answer that it is different from perception, because perception is not form. If they say relying on the subtle provisional self of the four skandhas, one should counter-question again: "Relying on which subtle self?" If they say relying on the remaining three skandhas, one should answer that it is different from perception; if they say relying on perception, one should answer that it is identical. Because the coarse self is definitely different from perception, the treatise text cites it specifically; the subtle self is indefinite, so it is omitted and not mentioned. This question is one to be answered by counter-questioning. > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 19.212](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.19.212) - [Next: 19.214](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.19.214) - [Up: 19](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.19) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821~en-mt.19.213) — English, machine translation --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.19.213](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.19.213) · Pramāṇa