[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [俱舍論記](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821) › 5.74 # 俱舍論記 5.74 俱舍論記 5.74 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [5.74](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.74) 「論曰至而得現起」者，釋初句。二定俱依欲、色二界而得現起。又《婆沙》一百五十二云「問：此無想定何處能起？有作是說：唯欲界起，欲界心猛有說力故。有餘師說：通欲界、三靜慮起，由念曾修加行勢力亦能起故。復有說者，第四靜慮亦能現起，除無想天，勿果與因極相逼故。」解云：於三說中後二無違，前一非正，如下別破。又《婆沙》一百五十三云「問：何故生欲、色界能起滅定，非無色界耶？答：命根依二法轉，一色、二心。此定無心，斷心起故。生欲、色界起此定時，心雖斷而命根依色轉。生無色界，色雖斷而命依心轉。若生彼起此定者，色、心俱無，命根無依故亦應斷。是應名死，非謂入定，是故生彼界不起。」解云：滅定無色故彼別簡，無想在色理在絕言，故不彼說。 > Regarding "The commentary states... are able to be manifested": this explains the first pāda. Both absorptions are able to be manifested on the basis of both the desire and form realms. Furthermore, \*Mahāvibhāṣā\* 152 states: "Question: Where can this absorption without thought be generated? Some say: It is generated only in the desire realm, because minds in the desire realm are sharp and possess the power of verbal instruction. Other masters say: It can be generated generally in the desire realm and the three dhyānas, because it can also be generated through the momentum of prior practice and application. Still others say: It can also be manifested in the fourth dhyāna, with the exception of the heaven of non-conception, so that fruit and cause do not press excessively close against each other." The explanation is: among the three explanations, the latter two do not contradict \[doctrine\], while the first is not correct, as will be refuted separately below. Furthermore, \*Mahāvibhāṣā\* 153 states: "Question: Why can one who is born in the desire or form realms generate the absorption of cessation, but not in the formless realm? Answer: The life-faculty operates dependent upon two dharmas: first, form; second, mind. This absorption is without mind, being generated by cutting off mind. When one born in the desire or form realms generates this absorption, although mind is cut off, the life-faculty operates dependent upon form. When one is born in the formless realm, although form is cut off, life operates dependent upon mind. If one born there were to generate this absorption, both form and mind would be absent, and because the life-faculty would lack any support, it too would be severed. This would have to be called death, not entering absorption; therefore, one born in that realm cannot generate it." The explanation is: because the absorption of cessation lacks form, it is specifically excluded there; that non-conception involves form is a principle beyond question, and therefore it is not mentioned there. > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 5.73](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.73) - [Next: 5.75](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.75) - [Up: 5](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821~en-mt.5.74) — English, machine translation ## Linked texts (1) - [俱舍論疏](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1822.5.72) — Classical Chinese --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.74](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.74) · Pramāṇa