[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [俱舍論記](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821) › 5.78 # 俱舍論記 5.78 俱舍論記 5.78 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [5.78](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.78) 「應言亦有至色界受生」者，引經證退，大意可知。鄔陀夷，此云出現。尸羅，名戒。三摩地，名等持，即定之異名。般羅若，名慧。現法，謂長病等退緣。滿足，謂無學果。段食天，謂欲六天，資段食故。意成天身，謂色界天，不由精血等生，隨意受生，名意成天身。若依《婆沙》一百五十三具說云「契經說：尊者舍利子告苾芻眾言：『若苾芻戒、定、慧具足者，能數數入出滅受想定。彼於現法及將死時，若不能辨如來聖旨，命終超段食天處，生在意成身天中，於彼復能數數入出滅想受定，斯有是處。應如實知。』時具壽鄔陀夷在彼會坐，語尊者舍利子言：『彼苾芻生意成身天，能數入出滅受想定，無有是處。』第二、第三亦如是說。」問：何故具壽鄔陀夷再三違逆尊者舍利子？答：彼之所疑非無處所。彼作是念：得此定者必已離無所有處染，命終應生非想非非想處，於彼必無起此定理。又彼不了舍利子意，是故現前再三違逆。問：舍利子有何意趣，彼具壽云何不了？答：舍利子說生色界者，鄔陀夷說生無色界者。舍利子說退者，鄔陀夷說不退者。由此不了，故再三違之。廣如彼說。 > Regarding "One should say that it does... taking birth in the form realm": citing a sūtra to prove retrogression; the general meaning is clear. "Udāyin" translates as "Appearance". "Śīla" means morality. "Samādhi" means concentration, which is an alternative name for meditative absorption. "Prajñā" means wisdom. "Present life" refers to conditions of retrogression such as long illness. "Fulfillment" refers to the fruit of the stage beyond training. "Devas of coarse material food" refers to the six heavens of the desire realm, because they are sustained by coarse material food. "Mind-made divine bodies" refers to the gods of the form realm, whose bodies are not born from semen and blood, but take birth in accordance with the mind; hence they are named mind-made divine bodies. If we rely on \*Mahāvibhāṣā\* 153, it explains fully: "A sūtra states: The Venerable Śāriputra addressed the assembly of bhikṣus, saying: 'If a bhikṣu is complete in morality, concentration, and wisdom, he can repeatedly enter and emerge from the absorption of the cessation of feeling and ideation. If in this present life or at the point of death he is unable to realize the Tathāgata's noble intention, at the end of his life he transcends the planes of devas of coarse material food and is born among the devas of mind-made bodies, and there he can again repeatedly enter and emerge from the absorption of the cessation of ideation and feeling. Such a case exists; this should be known as it truly is.' At that time, the Venerable Udāyin was seated in that assembly, and said to the Venerable Śāriputra: 'That that bhikṣu, born among the devas of mind-made bodies, could repeatedly enter and emerge from the absorption of the cessation of feeling and ideation—such a case does not exist.' A second and third time he spoke likewise." Question: Why did the Venerable Udāyin contradict the Venerable Śāriputra two and three times? Answer: His doubt was not unfounded. He thought: one who has attained this absorption must have already abandoned attachment to the sphere of nothingness; at the end of life he should be born in the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, and there it is impossible that he could generate this absorption. Furthermore, he did not understand Śāriputra's intention; therefore, he directly contradicted him two and three times. Question: What was Śāriputra's intention, and how was it that the Venerable \[Udāyin\] did not understand it? Answer: Śāriputra spoke of those born in the form realm, whereas Udāyin spoke of those born in the formless realm. Śāriputra spoke of those who retrogress, whereas Udāyin spoke of those who do not retrogress. Because he did not understand this, he contradicted him repeatedly. This is as explained at length there. > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 5.77](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.77) - [Next: 5.79](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.79) - [Up: 5](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821~en-mt.5.78) — English, machine translation --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.78](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.1821.5.78) · Pramāṇa