[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [景德傳燈錄](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076) › 20.13 # 景德傳燈錄 20.13 景德傳燈錄 20.13 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [20.13](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.20.13) 廬山歸宗寺懷惲禪師（第三世住）問無佛無眾生時如何。師曰。什麼人如此。問水清魚現時如何。師曰。把一箇來。僧無對（同安代云。動即失）問如何是五老峯。師曰。突兀地。問截水停輪時如何。師曰磨不轉。曰如何是磨不轉。師曰。不停輪。問如何是塵中子。師曰。灰頭土面（同安代云。不拂拭）問世尊無說說迦葉不聞聞事如何。師曰。正恁麼時作麼生。曰不同無聞說。師曰。是什麼人。問學人不到處請師說。師曰。汝不到什麼處來。 > Chan Master Huaiyun of Guizong Temple on Mount Lu (the third generation to reside there) was asked: "How is it when there are neither Buddhas nor sentient beings?" The Master said: "What person is like that?" \[A monk\] asked: "How is it when the water is clear and the fish appear?" The Master said: "Catch one and bring it here." The monk had no reply. (Tong'an said in his place: "To stir is to lose it.") \[A monk\] asked: "What is Five Old Men Peak?" The Master said: "Loftily towering." \[A monk\] asked: "How is it when the water is cut off and the wheel stops?" The Master said: "The mill does not turn." He said: "What is it when the mill does not turn?" The Master said: "The wheel does not stop." \[A monk\] asked: "What is a person amidst the dust?" The Master said: "Ash-headed and dirt-faced." (Tong'an said in his place: "Not brushed off.") \[A monk\] asked: "What about the World-Honoured One's preaching without preaching and Kāśyapa's hearing without hearing?" The Master said: "Just at such a time, how is it?" He said: "It is not the same as not hearing or preaching." The Master said: "What person is that?" \[A monk\] asked: "Please explain the place where the student does not reach." The Master said: "From what place do you not reach?" > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 20.12](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.20.12) - [Next: 20.14](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.20.14) - [Up: 20](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.20) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076~en-mt.20.13) — English, machine translation --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.20.13](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.20.13) · Pramāṇa