[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [景德傳燈錄](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076) › 5.87 # 景德傳燈錄 5.87 景德傳燈錄 5.87 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [5.87](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.5.87) 復云。一大如是四大亦然。若明四大無主。即悟無心。若了無心自然契道。又有志明禪師者。問曰。若言無心是道。瓦礫無心亦應是道。又云。身心本來是道。四生十類皆有身心亦應是道。師曰。大德若作見聞覺知之解。與道懸殊。即是求見聞覺知之者。非是求道之人。經云。無眼耳鼻舌身意。六根尚無見聞覺知憑何而立。窮本不有何處存心。焉得不同草木瓦礫。志明杜口而退。師又有偈曰。 > He also said: "One great element is like this; the four great elements are also so. If you understand that the four great elements have no master, you will awaken to non-mind. If you comprehend non-mind, you will naturally accord with the Way." There was also a Chan Master Zhiming, who asked: "If it is said that non-mind is the Way, rubble and tiles are without mind, so they also should be the Way. Moreover, you say that body and mind are originally the Way; the four modes of birth and ten categories \[of sentient beings\] all have body and mind, so they also should be the Way." The Master said: "If the Venerable Sir produces an understanding based on seeing, hearing, sensing, and knowing, that is far removed from the Way. That is being one who seeks seeing, hearing, sensing, and knowing, not one who seeks the Way. The sūtra says: 'There are no eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, or mind.' When the six sense faculties do not even exist, upon what do seeing, hearing, sensing, and knowing rely to be established? Probing their origin, they do not exist; where could mind be retained? How could it not be the same as grasses, trees, rubble, and tiles?" Zhiming held his tongue and withdrew. The Master also had a verse, which went: > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 5.86](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.5.86) - [Next: 5.88](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.5.88) - [Up: 5](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.5) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076~en-mt.5.87) — English, machine translation --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.5.87](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2076.5.87) · Pramāṇa