[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [廣弘明集](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103) › 21.18 # 廣弘明集 21.18 廣弘明集 21.18 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [21.18](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.18) 司徒從事中郎王規諮曰。未審真俗既不同。豈得相即之義。令旨答。聖人所得自見其無。凡人所得自見其有。見自不同。無妨俗不出真外。又諮。未審既無異。質而有二義。為當義離於體。為當即義即體。令旨答。更不相出名為一體。愚聖見殊自成異義。又諮。凡夫為但見俗亦得見真。令旨答。止得見俗不得見真。又諮。體既相即寧不覩真。令旨答。凡若見真不應覩俗。覩俗既妄焉得見真。 > Wang Gui, Attendant Gentleman of the Excellency over the Masses, inquired: "I do not yet know: since ultimate and conventional are not identical, how can the meaning of mutual identity be attained?" > The imperial decree answered: "What the sage attains of itself sees its non-being; what the ordinary person attains of itself sees its being. The seeings are of themselves not identical; this does not prevent the conventional from not extending outside the ultimate." > \[Wang Gui\] also inquired: "I do not yet know: since there is no difference in substance yet there are two meanings, is the meaning separated from the essence, or is the meaning identical to the essence?" > The imperial decree answered: "Not going beyond one another is named one essence; the foolish and the sage seeing differently of itself constitutes distinct meanings." > \[Wang Gui\] also inquired: "Do ordinary beings only see the conventional, or do they also get to see the ultimate?" > The imperial decree answered: "They only get to see the conventional; they do not get to see the ultimate." > \[Wang Gui\] also inquired: "Since the essences are mutually identical, how could they not behold the ultimate?" > The imperial decree answered: "If ordinary beings saw the ultimate, they should not behold the conventional. Since beholding the conventional is delusion, how could they see the ultimate?" > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 21.17](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.17) - [Next: 21.19](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.19) - [Up: 21](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103~en-mt.21.18) — English, machine translation --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.18](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.18) · Pramāṇa