[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [廣弘明集](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103) › 21.38 # 廣弘明集 21.38 廣弘明集 21.38 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [21.38](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.38) 招提寺慧琰諮曰。未審法身無相不應有體。何得用體以釋身義。令旨答。無名無相乃無體可論。寄以名相不無妙體。又諮。若寄以名相不無妙體。則寄以名相不成無相。令旨答。既云寄以名相。足明理實無相。又諮。若寄以名相而理實無相。理既無相云何有體。令旨答。寄言軌物何得無體。又諮。亦應寄言軌物。非復無相。令旨答。軌物義邊理非無相。所言無相本談妙體。又諮。真實本來無相。正應以此軌物。何得隱斯真實。強生言相。令旨答。真實無相非近學所窺。是故接諸膚淺。必須寄以言相。 > Huiyan of Zhaoti Temple inquired, saying: "I do not know: the dharmakāya is signless and should not have substance. How can one use 'substance' to explain the meaning of 'body'?" > The Prince's decree replied: "In the absence of names and signs, there is indeed no substance to discuss; provisionally using names and signs, it is not without a wondrous substance." > He further inquired: "If provisionally using names and signs it is not without a wondrous substance, then provisionally using names and signs does not constitute signlessness." > The decree replied: "Since it is said to provisionally use names and signs, this sufficiently clarifies that the principle is truly signless." > He further inquired: "If names and signs are provisionally used while the principle is truly signless, then since the principle is signless, how can it have substance?" > The decree replied: "Provisionally speaking to provide a model for beings, how could it lack substance?" > He further inquired: "Then provisionally speaking to provide a model for beings should likewise no longer be signless." > The decree replied: "On the side of providing a model for beings, the principle is not non-signless; what is spoken of as signless originally discusses the wondrous substance." > He further inquired: "The real truth is fundamentally signless, and one should precisely use this to guide beings. How can one conceal this real truth and forcibly generate words and signs?" > The decree replied: "The real truth of signlessness is not something beginners can fathom. Therefore, to receive those of shallow understanding, one must provisionally rely on words and signs." > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 21.37](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.37) - [Next: 21.39](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.39) - [Up: 21](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103~en-mt.21.38) — English, machine translation --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.38](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2103.21.38) · Pramāṇa