[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [集沙門不應拜俗等事](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108) › 1.42 # 集沙門不應拜俗等事 1.42 集沙門不應拜俗等事 1.42 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [1.42](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.1.42) 公云。君臣之敬。皆是自然之所生。理篤於情本。豈是名教之事耶。敬戢高論。不容間然。是以前答云。君人之道竊同高旨者。意在此也。至於君臣之敬。事盡揖拜。故以此為名教耳。非謂相與之際盡於創迹也。請復重申以盡微意。夫太上之世君臣已位。自然情愛則義著化本。于斯時也。則形敬蔑聞君道虛運。故相忘之理泰臣道冥陶。故事盡於知足。因此而推。形敬不與心為影響。殆將明矣。及親譽既生茲禮乃興。豈非後聖之制作事與時應者乎。此理虛邈良難為辯。如其未允請俟高當。 > You stated: 'Reverence between ruler and minister is entirely born of what is natural; its principle is rooted in fundamental feeling—how could it be an affair of the Teaching of Names?' I respectfully take note of your lofty argument, which leaves no room for dissent. This is precisely why my previous reply stated that the way of ruling men is secretly in accord with your lofty intent. As for the reverence between ruler and minister, in practical matters it culminates in bows and prostrations; hence it is considered part of the Teaching of Names. It was not meant that their reciprocal relationship is limited to outward signs. Allow me to state this again to convey my humble intent. In the high antiquity of supreme antiquity, rulers and ministers were already ranked; natural feelings and love made righteousness manifest as the basis of transformation. In those times, bodily reverence was unheard of, and the way of the ruler operated in emptiness; thus the principle of mutual oblivion was relaxed, and the way of the minister was subtly shaped. Therefore, matters ended with contentment. Deducing from this, it is almost entirely clear that bodily reverence does not follow the mind like shadow and echo. Only when affection and praise arose did such rituals appear; was this not a creation of later sages, adapting their works to the times? This principle is ethereal and remote, truly difficult to debate. If it is not yet agreeable, I beg to await your lofty judgment. > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 1.41](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.1.41) - [Next: 1.43](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.1.43) - [Up: 1](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.1) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108~en-mt.1.42) — English, machine translation ## Linked texts (1) - [弘明集](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2102.12.78) — 僧祐, Classical Chinese --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.1.42](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.1.42) · Pramāṇa