[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [Taishō Tripiṭaka (Chinese Buddhist canon)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho) › [集沙門不應拜俗等事](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108) › 5.15 # 集沙門不應拜俗等事 5.15 集沙門不應拜俗等事 5.15 - **Language:** Classical Chinese ### [5.15](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.5.15) 竊以。佛道二教本尚虛玄。演方便於三乘。契忘言於一指。唯寂唯寞。何寂寞之不包。非有非無。何有無之不鑒。今之法侶寔繁有徒。久損拜跪之儀（彈曰。請問何處令拜而言損耶）自處高上之地。約有為之戒律。揖無上之君親（彈曰。剃削既奉釋宗。守戒無宜設禮）推之人情。情涉縱誕。求之至理。理所未通（彈曰。推之人情。巢許無云縱誕。求之至理。沙門寧曰不通）令致敬於君親。庶垂範於來葉。謹議。 > I venture to consider: The two teachings of Buddhism and Daoism fundamentally value the void and dark; expounding expedient means in the three vehicles, they accord with forgetting words through a single pointing finger. Solely silent and solitary, what do their silence and solitude not encompass? Neither existent nor non-existent, what do their existence and non-existence not perceive? The modern companions of the Dharma are indeed numerous, yet for long they have diminished the ritual of prostrating and kneeling. (Critique: May I ask where they were ever ordered to bow, such that you speak of 'diminishing' it?) > They place themselves in a lofty position, relying on conditioned precepts to merely clasp their hands to the unsurpassed sovereign and parents. (Critique: Having shaved their heads and embraced the Śākya lineage, in upholding the precepts it is improper to perform mundane bows.) > Examined through human feelings, their sentiment borders on reckless arrogance; sought in ultimate principle, the principle remains unconvincing. (Critique: Examined through human feelings, Chaofu and Xu You were never called reckless and arrogant; sought in ultimate principle, can śramaṇas ever be said to be unconvincing?) > Ordering them to pay reverence to sovereign and parents will hopefully hand down a standard for future generations. Respectfully deliberated. > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) - [Previous: 5.14](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.5.14) - [Next: 5.16](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.5.16) - [Up: 5](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.5) ## Translations (1) - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108~en-mt.5.15) — English, machine translation --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.5.15](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.taisho.2108.5.15) · Pramāṇa