Kathavatthu 2.8.3

2.8.3.1

Na vattabbaṃ—

Should it not be said:

2.8.3.2

“sabbe saṅkhārā anodhiṃ katvā kukkuḷā”ti?

“All volitional formations, without distinction, are hot embers”?

2.8.3.3

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.8.3.4

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

2.8.3.5

“sabbaṃ, bhikkhave, ādittaṃ.

“All, mendicants, is on fire.

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.6

Kiñca, bhikkhave, sabbaṃ ādittaṃ?

And what, mendicants, is all that is on fire?

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.7

Cakkhuṃ, bhikkhave, ādittaṃ, rūpā ādittā, cakkhuviññāṇaṃ ādittaṃ, cakkhusamphasso āditto;

The eye, mendicants, is on fire; material forms are on fire; eye-consciousness is on fire; eye-contact is on fire;

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.8

yamidaṃ cakkhusamphassapaccayā uppajjati vedayitaṃ sukhaṃ vā dukkhaṃ vā adukkhamasukhaṃ vā, tampi ādittaṃ.

and whatever experience arises dependent on eye-contact, whether pleasant, painful, or neither-painful-nor-pleasant, that too is on fire.

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.9

Kena ādittaṃ?

On fire with what?

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.10

‘Rāgagginā dosagginā mohagginā ādittaṃ, jātiyā jarāya maraṇena sokehi paridevehi dukkhehi domanassehi upāyāsehi ādittan’ti vadāmi.

‘On fire with the fire of lust, with the fire of hatred, with the fire of delusion; on fire with birth, aging, death, sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, and despairs,’ I say.

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.11

Sotaṃ ādittaṃ, saddā ādittā …pe…

The ear is on fire, sounds are on fire … and so forth …

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.12

ghānaṃ ādittaṃ, gandhā ādittā …pe…

the nose is on fire, odors are on fire … and so forth …

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.13

jivhā ādittā, rasā ādittā …pe…

the tongue is on fire, tastes are on fire … and so forth …

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.14

kāyo āditto, phoṭṭhabbā ādittā …pe…

the body is on fire, tangibles are on fire … and so forth …

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.15

mano āditto, dhammā ādittā, manoviññāṇaṃ ādittaṃ, manosamphasso āditto;

the mind is on fire, mental phenomena are on fire, mind-consciousness is on fire, mind-contact is on fire;

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.16

yamidaṃ manosamphassapaccayā uppajjati vedayitaṃ sukhaṃ vā dukkhaṃ vā adukkhamasukhaṃ vā, tampi ādittaṃ.

and whatever experience arises dependent on mind-contact, whether pleasant, painful, or neither-painful-nor-pleasant, that too is on fire.

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.17

Kena ādittaṃ?

On fire with what?

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.18

‘Rāgagginā dosagginā mohagginā ādittaṃ, jātiyā jarāya maraṇena sokehi paridevehi dukkhehi domanassehi upāyāsehi ādittan’ti vadāmī”ti.

‘On fire with the fire of lust, with the fire of hatred, with the fire of delusion; on fire with birth, aging, death, sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, and despairs,’ I say”?

“All is on fire, O bhikkhus! How is everything on fire? The eye is on fire; visible objects, visual consciousness, visual contact and the pleasure, the pain, the neutral feeling therefrom—all is on fire. On fire wherewithal? I tell you, on fire with the fires of passion, hate, and ignorance; with the fires of birth, decay, and death; with the fires of sorrow, lamentation, ill, grief, and despair. All the field of sense, all the field of mind, all the feeling therefrom is on fire with those fires”?

2.8.3.19

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a discourse?

Surely then all conditioned things are mere cinderheaps absolutely.

2.8.3.20

Āmantā.

Yes.

Surely then all conditioned things are mere cinderheaps absolutely.

2.8.3.21

Tena hi vattabbaṃ—

Therefore, it should be said:

Surely then all conditioned things are mere cinderheaps absolutely.

2.8.3.22

“sabbe saṅkhārā anodhiṃ katvā kukkuḷā”ti.

“All volitional formations, without distinction, are hot embers.”

Surely then all conditioned things are mere cinderheaps absolutely.