Kathavatthu 20.2.4

20.2.4.1

Atthi puthujjanassa ñāṇanti?

“Does an ordinary person possess knowledge?”

Hetuvādin: If he can have insight, does he by that insight intuit the reality about Ill, eliminate its cause, realize its cessation, develop the Path going thereto? You admit that he does not. Therefore, etc.… .

20.2.4.2

Āmantā.

“Yes.”

Hetuvādin: If he can have insight, does he by that insight intuit the reality about Ill, eliminate its cause, realize its cessation, develop the Path going thereto? You admit that he does not. Therefore, etc.… .

20.2.4.3

Puthujjano tena ñāṇena dukkhaṃ parijānāti, samudayaṃ pajahati, nirodhaṃ sacchikaroti, maggaṃ bhāvetīti?

“Does an ordinary person, by means of that knowledge, fully understand suffering, abandon its origin, realize its cessation, and cultivate the path?”

Hetuvādin: If he can have insight, does he by that insight intuit the reality about Ill, eliminate its cause, realize its cessation, develop the Path going thereto? You admit that he does not. Therefore, etc.… .

20.2.4.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

“It should not be said thus …pe….”

Hetuvādin: If he can have insight, does he by that insight intuit the reality about Ill, eliminate its cause, realize its cessation, develop the Path going thereto? You admit that he does not. Therefore, etc.… .

20.2.4.5

Ñāṇakathā niṭṭhitā.

Discussion on Knowledge is finished.