Kathavatthu 20.5.10

20.5.10.1

Pañcaṅgiko maggoti?

Is the path fivefold?

Theravādin: But was it not said by the Exalted One:

20.5.10.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

Theravādin: But was it not said by the Exalted One:

20.5.10.3

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

Theravādin: But was it not said by the Exalted One:

20.5.10.4

“yasmiṃ kho, subhadda, dhammavinaye ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo na upalabbhati, samaṇopi tattha na upalabbhati, dutiyopi tattha samaṇo na upalabbhati, tatiyopi tattha samaṇo na upalabbhati, catutthopi tattha samaṇo na upalabbhati.

“In whatever teaching and discipline, Subhadda, the noble eightfold path is not found, an ascetic is also not found there, a second ascetic is also not found there, a third ascetic is also not found there, a fourth ascetic is also not found there.

“In whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is not found, neither in it is there found a saintly man of the first, or of the second, or of the third, or of the fourth degree. And in whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is found, in it is such a saintly man found. Now in this doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, is found the Ariyan Eightfold Path, and in it, too, are found men of saintliness of all four degrees. Void are the systems of other teachers, void of saintly men”?

20.5.10.5

Yasmiñca kho, subhadda, dhammavinaye ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo upalabbhati, samaṇopi tattha upalabbhati, dutiyopi …pe… tatiyopi …pe… catutthopi tattha samaṇo upalabbhati.

And in whatever teaching and discipline, Subhadda, the noble eightfold path is found, an ascetic is also found there, a second … a third … a fourth ascetic is also found there.

“In whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is not found, neither in it is there found a saintly man of the first, or of the second, or of the third, or of the fourth degree. And in whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is found, in it is such a saintly man found. Now in this doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, is found the Ariyan Eightfold Path, and in it, too, are found men of saintliness of all four degrees. Void are the systems of other teachers, void of saintly men”?

20.5.10.6

Imasmiṃ kho, subhadda, dhammavinaye ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo upalabbhati. Idheva, subhadda, samaṇo, idha dutiyo samaṇo, idha tatiyo samaṇo, idha catuttho samaṇo. Suññā parappavādā samaṇebhi aññehī”ti.

In this teaching and discipline, Subhadda, the noble eightfold path is found. Right here, Subhadda, is an ascetic, here a second ascetic, here a third ascetic, here a fourth ascetic. Void of ascetics are other doctrines”?

“In whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is not found, neither in it is there found a saintly man of the first, or of the second, or of the third, or of the fourth degree. And in whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is found, in it is such a saintly man found. Now in this doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, is found the Ariyan Eightfold Path, and in it, too, are found men of saintliness of all four degrees. Void are the systems of other teachers, void of saintly men”?

20.5.10.7

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a discourse?

“In whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is not found, neither in it is there found a saintly man of the first, or of the second, or of the third, or of the fourth degree. And in whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is found, in it is such a saintly man found. Now in this doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, is found the Ariyan Eightfold Path, and in it, too, are found men of saintliness of all four degrees. Void are the systems of other teachers, void of saintly men”?

20.5.10.8

Āmantā.

Yes.

“In whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is not found, neither in it is there found a saintly man of the first, or of the second, or of the third, or of the fourth degree. And in whatsoever doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, the Ariyan Eightfold Path is found, in it is such a saintly man found. Now in this doctrine and discipline, Subhadda, is found the Ariyan Eightfold Path, and in it, too, are found men of saintliness of all four degrees. Void are the systems of other teachers, void of saintly men”?

20.5.10.9

Tena hi aṭṭhaṅgiko maggoti.

Therefore the path is eightfold.

Hence surely the Path is eightfold.

20.5.10.10

Maggakathā niṭṭhitā.

Discussion on the path is finished.