Kathavatthu 21.7.1

21.7.1.1

Sabbe dhammā niyatāti?

Are all things fixed?

Controverted Point: That all things are by nature immutable.

21.7.1.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

Controverted Point: That all things are by nature immutable.

21.7.1.3

Micchattaniyatāti?

Are they fixed in wrongness?

Theravādin: Do you mean that they all belong to that Order of things, by which the wrong-doer is assured of immediate retribution on rebirth, or to that other Order by which the Path-winner is assured of final salvation? Is there not a third congeries that is not fixed as one or the other? You deny. But think. Surely there is? You assent. Then you contradict your proposition. And you must do so, for did not the Exalted One speak of three congeries?

21.7.1.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

21.7.1.5

sammattaniyatāti?

Are they fixed in rightness?

21.7.1.6

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

21.7.1.7

natthi aniyato rāsīti?

Is there no unfixed group?

21.7.1.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

21.7.1.9

nanu atthi aniyato rāsīti?

Is there not an unfixed group?

21.7.1.10

Āmantā.

Yes.

21.7.1.11

Hañci atthi aniyato rāsi, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If there is an unfixed group, then indeed you should not say:

21.7.1.12

“sabbe dhammā niyatā”ti.

“All things are fixed.”