Kathavatthu 21.7.4

21.7.4.1

Na vattabbaṃ—

Should it not be said—

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.2

rūpaṃ rūpaṭṭhena niyataṃ …pe…

“Material form is fixed in the sense of material form …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.3

vedanā …pe…

feeling …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.4

saññā …pe…

perception …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.5

saṅkhārā …pe…

volitional formations …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.6

viññāṇaṃ viññāṇaṭṭhena niyatanti?

consciousness is fixed in the sense of consciousness”?

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.7

Āmantā.

Yes.

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.8

Rūpaṃ vedanā hoti …pe…

Does material form become feeling …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.9

saññā hoti …

become perception …

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.10

saṅkhārā honti …

become volitional formations …

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.11

viññāṇaṃ hoti …

become consciousness …?

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.12

vedanā …pe…

Does feeling …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.13

saññā …pe…

perception …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.14

saṅkhārā …pe…

volitional formations …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.15

viññāṇaṃ rūpaṃ hoti …pe…

consciousness become material form …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.16

vedanā hoti …

become feeling …

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.17

saññā hoti …

become perception …

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.18

saṅkhārā hontīti?

become volitional formations?

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.19

Na hevaṃ vattabbe.

It should not be said thus.

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.20

Tena hi rūpaṃ rūpaṭṭhena niyataṃ, vedanā …pe…

Therefore, material form is fixed in the sense of material form, feeling …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.21

saññā …pe…

perception …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.22

saṅkhārā …pe…

volitional formations …pe…

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.23

viññāṇaṃ viññāṇaṭṭhena niyatanti.

consciousness is fixed in the sense of consciousness.

Andhaka, Uttarāpathaka: But if I may not say that matter, or mind is fixed as matter, or mind respectively, tell me, can body become mind, can become one of the four mental aggregates, or conversely? Of course not. Surely then I am right.

21.7.4.24

Dhammakathā niṭṭhitā.

The discussion on phenomena is concluded.