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Kathavatthu 4.7.13

Kathāvatthu 4.7.13

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Pāli

4.7.13.1

Na vattabbaṃ—

Should it not be said:

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

Uttarāpathaka: But if you reject my proposition, tell me: is there not a Suttanta in which the Exalted One said:

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.2

“lakkhaṇasamannāgato bodhisatto”ti?

“One endowed with the marks is a bodhisatta”?

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

Uttarāpathaka: But if you reject my proposition, tell me: is there not a Suttanta in which the Exalted One said:

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.3

Āmantā.

Yes.

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

Uttarāpathaka: But if you reject my proposition, tell me: is there not a Suttanta in which the Exalted One said:

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.4

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

Uttarāpathaka: But if you reject my proposition, tell me: is there not a Suttanta in which the Exalted One said:

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.5

“dvattiṃsimāni, bhikkhave, mahāpurisassa mahāpurisalakkhaṇāni, yehi samannāgatassa mahāpurisassa dveva gatiyo bhavanti anaññā.

“Monks, there are these thirty-two marks of a great man, endowed with which a great man has only two destinations, none other.

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“Bhikkhus, to one endowed with the thirty-two marks of a Superman, two careers lie open, and none other. If he live the life of the house, he becomes Lord of the Wheel, a righteous Lord of the Right, Ruler of the four quarters, conqueror, guardian of the people's good, owner of the Seven Treasures; his do those seven treasures become, to wit, the Wheel treasure, the Elephant, the Horse, the Jewel, the Woman, the Steward, the Heir Apparent. More than a thousand sons are his, heroes, vigorous of frame, crushers of the hosts of the enemy. He, when he has conquered this earth to its ocean bounds, is established not by the scourge, not by the sword, but by righteousness. But if he go forth from his home to the homeless, he becomes an Arahant Buddha Supreme, rolling back the veil from the world”?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.6

Sace agāraṃ ajjhāvasati, rājā hoti cakkavattī dhammiko dhammarājā cāturanto vijitāvī janapadatthāvariyappatto sattaratanasamannāgato.

If he lives the household life, he becomes a wheel-turning monarch, righteous, a king of righteousness, conqueror of the four quarters, who has attained stability in the country, endowed with the seven treasures.

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

“Bhikkhus, to one endowed with the thirty-two marks of a Superman, two careers lie open, and none other. If he live the life of the house, he becomes Lord of the Wheel, a righteous Lord of the Right, Ruler of the four quarters, conqueror, guardian of the people's good, owner of the Seven Treasures; his do those seven treasures become, to wit, the Wheel treasure, the Elephant, the Horse, the Jewel, the Woman, the Steward, the Heir Apparent. More than a thousand sons are his, heroes, vigorous of frame, crushers of the hosts of the enemy. He, when he has conquered this earth to its ocean bounds, is established not by the scourge, not by the sword, but by righteousness. But if he go forth from his home to the homeless, he becomes an Arahant Buddha Supreme, rolling back the veil from the world”?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.7

Tassimāni satta ratanāni bhavanti, seyyathidaṃ—

His are these seven treasures, namely:

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

“Bhikkhus, to one endowed with the thirty-two marks of a Superman, two careers lie open, and none other. If he live the life of the house, he becomes Lord of the Wheel, a righteous Lord of the Right, Ruler of the four quarters, conqueror, guardian of the people's good, owner of the Seven Treasures; his do those seven treasures become, to wit, the Wheel treasure, the Elephant, the Horse, the Jewel, the Woman, the Steward, the Heir Apparent. More than a thousand sons are his, heroes, vigorous of frame, crushers of the hosts of the enemy. He, when he has conquered this earth to its ocean bounds, is established not by the scourge, not by the sword, but by righteousness. But if he go forth from his home to the homeless, he becomes an Arahant Buddha Supreme, rolling back the veil from the world”?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.8

cakkaratanaṃ, hatthiratanaṃ, assaratanaṃ, maṇiratanaṃ, itthiratanaṃ, gahapatiratanaṃ, pariṇāyakaratanameva sattamaṃ.

the wheel-treasure, the elephant-treasure, the horse-treasure, the jewel-treasure, the woman-treasure, the householder-treasure, and the counselor-treasure as the seventh.

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

“Bhikkhus, to one endowed with the thirty-two marks of a Superman, two careers lie open, and none other. If he live the life of the house, he becomes Lord of the Wheel, a righteous Lord of the Right, Ruler of the four quarters, conqueror, guardian of the people's good, owner of the Seven Treasures; his do those seven treasures become, to wit, the Wheel treasure, the Elephant, the Horse, the Jewel, the Woman, the Steward, the Heir Apparent. More than a thousand sons are his, heroes, vigorous of frame, crushers of the hosts of the enemy. He, when he has conquered this earth to its ocean bounds, is established not by the scourge, not by the sword, but by righteousness. But if he go forth from his home to the homeless, he becomes an Arahant Buddha Supreme, rolling back the veil from the world”?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.9

Parosahassaṃ kho panassa puttā bhavanti sūrā vīraṅgarūpā parasenappamaddanā.

More than a thousand sons are his, valiant, heroic in form, crushing enemy armies.

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

“Bhikkhus, to one endowed with the thirty-two marks of a Superman, two careers lie open, and none other. If he live the life of the house, he becomes Lord of the Wheel, a righteous Lord of the Right, Ruler of the four quarters, conqueror, guardian of the people's good, owner of the Seven Treasures; his do those seven treasures become, to wit, the Wheel treasure, the Elephant, the Horse, the Jewel, the Woman, the Steward, the Heir Apparent. More than a thousand sons are his, heroes, vigorous of frame, crushers of the hosts of the enemy. He, when he has conquered this earth to its ocean bounds, is established not by the scourge, not by the sword, but by righteousness. But if he go forth from his home to the homeless, he becomes an Arahant Buddha Supreme, rolling back the veil from the world”?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.10

So imaṃ pathaviṃ sāgarapariyantaṃ adaṇḍena asatthena dhammena abhivijiya ajjhāvasati.

Having conquered this earth bounded by the ocean without rod, without sword, by righteousness, he abides over it.

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

“Bhikkhus, to one endowed with the thirty-two marks of a Superman, two careers lie open, and none other. If he live the life of the house, he becomes Lord of the Wheel, a righteous Lord of the Right, Ruler of the four quarters, conqueror, guardian of the people's good, owner of the Seven Treasures; his do those seven treasures become, to wit, the Wheel treasure, the Elephant, the Horse, the Jewel, the Woman, the Steward, the Heir Apparent. More than a thousand sons are his, heroes, vigorous of frame, crushers of the hosts of the enemy. He, when he has conquered this earth to its ocean bounds, is established not by the scourge, not by the sword, but by righteousness. But if he go forth from his home to the homeless, he becomes an Arahant Buddha Supreme, rolling back the veil from the world”?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.11

Sace kho pana agārasmā anagāriyaṃ pabbajati, arahaṃ hoti sammāsambuddho loke vivaṭṭacchado”ti.

If, however, he goes forth from the household life into homelessness, he becomes an arahant, a fully awakened one, who has rolled back the veil in the world”?

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

“Bhikkhus, to one endowed with the thirty-two marks of a Superman, two careers lie open, and none other. If he live the life of the house, he becomes Lord of the Wheel, a righteous Lord of the Right, Ruler of the four quarters, conqueror, guardian of the people's good, owner of the Seven Treasures; his do those seven treasures become, to wit, the Wheel treasure, the Elephant, the Horse, the Jewel, the Woman, the Steward, the Heir Apparent. More than a thousand sons are his, heroes, vigorous of frame, crushers of the hosts of the enemy. He, when he has conquered this earth to its ocean bounds, is established not by the scourge, not by the sword, but by righteousness. But if he go forth from his home to the homeless, he becomes an Arahant Buddha Supreme, rolling back the veil from the world”?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.12

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a sutta discourse?

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

Is not therefore my proposition true?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.13

Āmantā.

Yes.

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

Is not therefore my proposition true?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.14

Tena hi lakkhaṇasamannāgato bodhisattoti.

Therefore, the bodhisatta is endowed with the marks.

English (machine translation) (machine translation)

Is not therefore my proposition true?

Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse

4.7.13.15

Lakkhaṇakathā niṭṭhitā.

The discussion on the marks is finished.

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