[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [The Pāli Canon](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada) › [Basket of Higher Doctrine](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap) › [Kathavatthu](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu) › 4.8.1 # Kathavatthu 4.8.1 Kathāvatthu 4.8.1 - **Language:** Pāli ### [4.8.1.1](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu.4.8.1.1) Bodhisatto kassapassa bhagavato pāvacane okkantaniyāmo caritabrahmacariyoti? > \[Did\] the bodhisatta enter the fixed order and live the spiritual life in the dispensation of the Blessed One Kassapa? > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) > Controverted Point: That the Bodhisat had entered on the Path of Assurance and conformed to the life therein during the dispensation of Kassapa Buddha. > — Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse ### [4.8.1.2](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu.4.8.1.2) Āmantā. > Yes. > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) > Controverted Point: That the Bodhisat had entered on the Path of Assurance and conformed to the life therein during the dispensation of Kassapa Buddha. > — Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse ### [4.8.1.3](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu.4.8.1.3) Bodhisatto kassapassa bhagavato sāvakoti? > Was the bodhisatta a disciple of the Blessed One Kassapa? > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) > Theravādin: If so, our Bodhisat must have been a disciple—i.e., one in the Ariyan Way—of Kassapa Buddha. You deny. For if you assent, you must admit that he became Buddha after his career as disciple. Moreover, a “disciple” is one who learns through information from others, while a Buddha is self-developed. > — Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse ### [4.8.1.4](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu.4.8.1.4) Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…. > It should not be said thus …pe…. > — English (machine translation) (machine translation) ## Translations (2) - [Points of Controversy, or Subjects of Discourse](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu~en-aung-rhysdavids.4.8.p1) — Shwe Zan Aung & Caroline A. F. Rhys Davids 1915, English - [English (machine translation)](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu~en-mt.4.8.1.1) — English, machine translation ## Commentaries (2) - [Mūlaṭīkā](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu!ananda) — Ānanda (Vanaratana), Pāli - [Pañcappakaraṇaṭṭhakathā](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap!pancappakaranatthakatha) — Buddhaghosa, Pāli --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu.4.8.1](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.ap.kathavatthu.4.8.1) · Pramāṇa