Kathavatthu 7.4.9

7.4.9.1

Deyyadhammo dānanti?

Is a gift the material given?

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.3

Deyyadhammo iṭṭhaphalo kantaphalo manuññaphalo asecanakaphalo sukhudrayo sukhavipākoti?

Does the material given have a desirable fruit, a lovely fruit, an agreeable fruit, an unadulterated fruit, happiness as result, happiness as ripening?

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.5

dānaṃ iṭṭhaphalaṃ vuttaṃ bhagavatā, cīvaraṃ dānanti?

A gift is said by the Blessed One to have a desirable fruit; is a robe a gift?

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.7

Cīvaraṃ iṭṭhaphalaṃ kantaphalaṃ manuññaphalaṃ asecanakaphalaṃ sukhudrayaṃ sukhavipākanti?

Does a robe have a desirable fruit, a lovely fruit, an agreeable fruit, an unadulterated fruit, happiness as result, happiness as ripening?

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.9

dānaṃ iṭṭhaphalaṃ vuttaṃ bhagavatā, piṇḍapāto dānaṃ …

A gift is said by the Blessed One to have a desirable fruit; is almsfood a gift …

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.10

senāsanaṃ dānaṃ …

is a resting place a gift …

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.11

gilānapaccayabhesajjaparikkhāro dānanti?

is medicinal requisites for the sick a gift?

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.12

Āmantā.

Yes.

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.13

Gilānapaccayabhesajjaparikkhāro iṭṭhaphalo kantaphalo manuññaphalo asecanakaphalo sukhudrayo sukhavipākoti?

Do medicinal requisites for the sick have a desirable fruit, a lovely fruit, an agreeable fruit, an unadulterated fruit, happiness as result, happiness as ripening?

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.14

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.15

tena hi na vattabbaṃ—

Therefore it should not be said that:

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.16

“deyyadhammo dānan”ti.

“A gift is the material given.”

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: You say then that giving is a thing to be given. Now you do not admit that the thing to be given has as its direct result something desirable, agreeable, pleasant, felicific, a happy capacity and consequence. On the other hand, the Exalted One said that dāna had such a result. Now you say that a robe, alms-food, and the other requisites are dāna. Hence it follows that a robe and so on has such a result, which cannot be. Therefore it is wrong to say that dāna is a thing to be given.

7.4.9.17

Dānakathā niṭṭhitā.

Discussion on giving is finished.