Kathavatthu 8.2.1

8.2.1.1

Atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence?

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.3

Kāmabhavoti?

Is it sense-sphere existence?

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.5

atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence?

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.7

Rūpabhavoti?

Is it form-sphere existence?

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.9

atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence?

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.10

Āmantā.

Yes.

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.11

Arūpabhavoti?

Is it formless existence?

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.12

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

Theravādin: If there be such a state, you must identify it with either the Kāma-life, or Rūpa-life, or Arūpa-life, which you refuse to do … .

8.2.1.13

atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence?

You deny that there is an intermediate state between the first and second, or the second and third, of these … you affirm, indeed, that there is no such thing; how then can you maintain your proposition?

8.2.1.14

Āmantā.

Yes.

8.2.1.15

Kāmabhavassa ca rūpabhavassa ca antare atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence between sense existence and form existence?

8.2.1.16

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

8.2.1.17

atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence?

8.2.1.18

Āmantā.

Yes.

8.2.1.19

Rūpabhavassa ca arūpabhavassa ca antare atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence between the realm of luminous form and the formless realm?

8.2.1.20

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….