Kathavatthu 8.2.9

8.2.9.1

Na ānantariyassa puggalassa atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence for a person not liable to immediate [retribution]?

8.2.9.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

8.2.9.3

Ānantariyassa puggalassa atthi antarābhavoti?

Is there an intermediate existence for a person liable to immediate [retribution]?

8.2.9.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

8.2.9.5

ānantariyassa puggalassa natthi antarābhavoti?

Is there no intermediate existence for a person bound for immediate retribution?

8.2.9.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

8.2.9.7

Na ānantariyassa puggalassa natthi antarābhavoti?

Is it not that there is no intermediate existence for a person bound for immediate retribution?

8.2.9.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

8.2.9.9

nirayūpagassa puggalassa …pe…

For a person bound for hell …

You deny it also for one who is to be reborn in purgatory, in the sphere of unconscious beings, in the immaterial

8.2.9.10

asaññasattūpagassa puggalassa …pe…

for a person bound for the non-percipient beings …

You deny it also for one who is to be reborn in purgatory, in the sphere of unconscious beings, in the immaterial

8.2.9.11

arūpūpagassa puggalassa atthi antarābhavoti?

is there an intermediate existence for a person bound for the formless realm?

You deny it also for one who is to be reborn in purgatory, in the sphere of unconscious beings, in the immaterial

8.2.9.12

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

heavens. Therefore to that extent your proposition is not universally valid. Nevertheless, you maintain that there

8.2.9.13

arūpūpagassa puggalassa natthi antarābhavoti?

is there no intermediate existence for a person bound for the formless realm?

heavens. Therefore to that extent your proposition is not universally valid. Nevertheless, you maintain that there

8.2.9.14

Āmantā.

Yes.

heavens. Therefore to that extent your proposition is not universally valid. Nevertheless, you maintain that there

8.2.9.15

Hañci arūpūpagassa puggalassa natthi antarābhavo, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If there is no intermediate existence for a person bound for the formless realm, then indeed you should not say:

heavens. Therefore to that extent your proposition is not universally valid. Nevertheless, you maintain that there

8.2.9.16

“atthi antarābhavo”ti.

“There is an intermediate existence.”

heavens. Therefore to that extent your proposition is not universally valid. Nevertheless, you maintain that there