Kathavatthu 9.2.9

9.2.9.1

Amataṃ ārabbha saṃyojanā uppajjanti, amataṃ asaṃyojaniyaṃ aganthaniyaṃ anoghaniyaṃ ayoganiyaṃ anīvaraṇiyaṃ aparāmaṭṭhaṃ anupādāniyaṃ asaṅkilesiyanti?

Do fetters arise concerning the deathless, [and] is the deathless not favorable to fetters, not favorable to ties, not favorable to floods, not favorable to bonds, not favorable to hindrances, not misapprehended, not favorable to clinging, not favorable to defilement?

You would not say that, whereas the Fetters spring up because of material qualities, the latter do not conduce to Fetters, Ties, Floods, and all such spiritual defects and dangers. How then can you affirm just the same of the Ambrosial: that, whereas the Fetters spring up because of it, it does not conduce to Fetters, and so forth? Or that, whereas lust, hate, and ignorance spring up because of the Ambrosial, nevertheless the Ambrosial is not an occasion for lusting and all the rest?

9.2.9.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

9.2.9.3

Rūpaṃ ārabbha saṃyojanā uppajjanti, rūpaṃ asaṃyojaniyaṃ aganthaniyaṃ …pe… asaṅkilesiyanti?

Do fetters arise concerning material form, [and] is material form not favorable to fetters, not favorable to ties …pe… not favorable to defilement?

9.2.9.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe…