[Pramāṇa](https://indike.org/pramana/) › [Indian literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in) › [Buddhist Literature](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha) › [The Pāli Canon](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada) › [Basket of Discourses](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp) › [Dīghanikāya](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha) › [With Pāyāsi](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23) › 12.1-14 # With Pāyāsi 12.1-14 Pāyāsisutta 12.1-14 - **Language:** Pāli ### [12.1](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.1) “Kiñcāpi bhavaṃ kassapo evamāha, atha kho evaṃ me ettha hoti: > “Even though the worthy Kassapa says this, still I think that > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.2](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.2) ‘itipi natthi paro loko, natthi sattā opapātikā, natthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko’”ti. > there is no afterlife.” > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.3](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.3) “Atthi pana, rājañña, pariyāyo …pe… > “Can you prove it?” > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.4](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.4) atthi, bho kassapa, pariyāyo …pe… > “I can.” > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.5](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.5) yathā kathaṃ viya, rājaññā”ti? > “How, exactly, chieftain?” > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.6](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.6) “Idhāhaṃ, bho kassapa, passāmi samaṇabrāhmaṇe sīlavante kalyāṇadhamme jīvitukāme amaritukāme sukhakāme dukkhapaṭikūle. > “Well, I see ascetics and brahmins who are ethical, of good character, who want to live and don’t want to die, who want to be happy and recoil from pain. > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.7](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.7) Tassa mayhaṃ, bho kassapa, evaṃ hoti— > I think to myself, > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.8](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.8) sace kho ime bhonto samaṇabrāhmaṇā sīlavanto kalyāṇadhammā evaṃ jāneyyuṃ: > ‘If those ascetics and brahmins knew that > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.9](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.9) ‘ito no matānaṃ seyyo bhavissatī’ti. > things were going to be better for them after death, > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.10](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.10) Idānime bhonto samaṇabrāhmaṇā sīlavanto kalyāṇadhammā visaṃ vā khādeyyuṃ, satthaṃ vā āhareyyuṃ, ubbandhitvā vā kālaṃ kareyyuṃ, papāte vā papateyyuṃ. > they’d drink poison, take their lives, hang themselves, or throw themselves off a cliff. > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.11](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.11) Yasmā ca kho ime bhonto samaṇabrāhmaṇā sīlavanto kalyāṇadhammā na evaṃ jānanti: > They mustn’t know that > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.12](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.12) ‘ito no matānaṃ seyyo bhavissatī’ti, tasmā ime bhonto samaṇabrāhmaṇā sīlavanto kalyāṇadhammā jīvitukāmā amaritukāmā sukhakāmā dukkhapaṭikūlā attānaṃ na mārenti. > things are going to be better for them after death. That’s why they are ethical, of good character, wanting to live and not wanting to die, wanting to be happy and recoiling from pain.’ > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.13](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.13) Ayampi kho, bho kassapa, pariyāyo, yena me pariyāyena evaṃ hoti: > This is the method by which I prove that > — With Pāyāsi ### [12.14](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.14) ‘itipi natthi paro loko, natthi sattā opapātikā, natthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko’”ti. > there is no afterlife.” > — With Pāyāsi ## Translations (3) - [Razgovor sa Pāyāsijem](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23~sr-brankokovacevic.12.1) — sr - [With Pāyāsi](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23~en-sujato.12.1) — English - [Mit Pāyāsi](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23~de-sabbamitta.12.1) — German ## Commentaries (1) - [Sumaṅgalavilāsinī](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha!sumangalavilasini.23.419) — Buddhaghosa, Pāli ## Linked texts (3) - [中阿含經](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.sanskrit.agama.madhyamagama*zh-sanghadeva.71.44) — Classical Chinese - [長阿含經](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.sanskrit.agama.dirghagama*zh-buddhayasas.7.48) — Classical Chinese - [大正句王經](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.sanskrit.agama.madhyama.payasisutra*zh-dharmabhadra.1.17) — Classical Chinese --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.1-14](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.12.1-14) · Pramāṇa