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Hopefully we’ll see his soul escaping.’ > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.11](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.11) Te me ‘sādhū’ti paṭissutvā taṃ purisaṃ anupahacca chaviñca …pe… jīvitā voropenti. > They agree, and do what I ask. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.12](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.12) Yadā so āmato hoti, tyāhaṃ evaṃ vadāmi: > When he’s nearly dead, I tell them to > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.13](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.13) ‘tena hi, bho, imaṃ purisaṃ uttānaṃ nipātetha, appeva nāmassa jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passeyyāmā’ti. > lay him on his back in hope of seeing his soul escape. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.14](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.14) Te taṃ purisaṃ uttānaṃ nipātenti. > They do so. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.15](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.15) Nevassa mayaṃ jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passāma. > But we don’t see his soul escaping. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.16](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.16) Tyāhaṃ evaṃ vadāmi: > I tell them to > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.17](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.17) ‘tena hi, bho, imaṃ purisaṃ avakujjaṃ nipātetha … > lay him bent over, > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.18](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.18) passena nipātetha … > to lay him on his side, > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.19](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.19) dutiyena passena nipātetha … > to lay him on the other side; > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.20](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.20) uddhaṃ ṭhapetha … > to stand him upright, > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.21](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.21) omuddhakaṃ ṭhapetha … > to stand him upside down; > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.22](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.22) pāṇinā ākoṭetha … > to strike him with fists, > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.23](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.23) leḍḍunā ākoṭetha … > stones, > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.24](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.24) daṇḍena ākoṭetha … > rods, > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.25](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.25) satthena ākoṭetha … > and swords; > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.26](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.26) odhunātha sandhunātha niddhunātha, appeva nāmassa jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passeyyāmā’ti. > and to give him a good shaking in hope of seeing his soul escape. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.27](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.27) Te taṃ purisaṃ odhunanti sandhunanti niddhunanti. > They do all these things. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.28](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.28) Nevassa mayaṃ jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passāma. > But we don’t see his soul escaping. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.29](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.29) Tassa tadeva cakkhu hoti te rūpā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti. > For him the eye itself is present, and so are those sights. Yet he does not experience that sense-field. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.30](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.30) Tadeva sotaṃ hoti te saddā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti. > The ear itself is present, and so are those sounds. Yet he does not experience that sense-field. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.31](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.31) Tadeva ghānaṃ hoti te gandhā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti. > The nose itself is present, and so are those smells. Yet he does not experience that sense-field. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.32](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.32) Sāva jivhā hoti te rasā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti. > The tongue itself is present, and so are those tastes. Yet he does not experience that sense-field. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.33](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.33) Sveva kāyo hoti te phoṭṭhabbā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti. > The body itself is present, and so are those touches. Yet he does not experience that sense-field. > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.34](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.34) Ayampi kho, bho kassapa, pariyāyo, yena me pariyāyena evaṃ hoti: > This is how I prove that > — With Pāyāsi ### [18.35](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.35) ‘itipi natthi paro loko, natthi sattā opapātikā, natthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko’”ti. > there is no afterlife.” > — With Pāyāsi ## Translations (3) - [Razgovor sa Pāyāsijem](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23~sr-brankokovacevic.18.1) — sr - [With Pāyāsi](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23~en-sujato.18.1) — English - [Mit Pāyāsi](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23~de-sabbamitta.18.1) — German ## Commentaries (1) - [Sumaṅgalavilāsinī](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha!sumangalavilasini.23.425) — Buddhaghosa, Pāli ## Linked texts (1) - [長阿含經](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.sanskrit.agama.dirghagama*zh-buddhayasas.7.75) — Classical Chinese --- Source: [https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.1-35](https://indike.org/pramana/in.bauddha.theravada.sp.digha.23.18.1-35) · Pramāṇa