Pathikasutta 2.18

Pāthikasutta 2.18

Language: Pāli

2.18.1

Santi, bhaggava, eke samaṇabrāhmaṇā khiḍḍāpadosikaṃ ācariyakaṃ aggaññaṃ paññapenti.

There are some ascetics and brahmins who describe the origin of the world in their denomination as due to those depraved by play.
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2.18.2

Tyāhaṃ upasaṅkamitvā evaṃ vadāmi:

I go up to them and say,
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2.18.3

‘saccaṃ kira tumhe āyasmanto khiḍḍāpadosikaṃ ācariyakaṃ aggaññaṃ paññapethā’ti?

‘Is it really true that this is the venerables’ view?’
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2.18.4

Te ca me evaṃ puṭṭhā ‘āmo’ti paṭijānanti.

And they answer, ‘Yes’.
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2.18.5

Tyāhaṃ evaṃ vadāmi:

I say to them,
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2.18.6

‘kathaṃvihitakaṃ pana tumhe āyasmanto khiḍḍāpadosikaṃ ācariyakaṃ aggaññaṃ paññapethā’ti?

‘But how do you describe in your denomination that the origin of the world came about due to those depraved by play?’
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2.18.7

Te mayā puṭṭhā na sampāyanti, asampāyantā mamaññeva paṭipucchanti,

But they are stumped by my question, and they even question me in return.
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2.18.8

tesāhaṃ puṭṭho byākaromi:

So I answer them,
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‘Santāvuso, khiḍḍāpadosikā nāma devā. Te ativelaṃ hassakhiḍḍāratidhammasamāpannā viharanti. Tesaṃ ativelaṃ hassakhiḍḍāratidhammasamāpannānaṃ viharataṃ sati sammussati, satiyā sammosā te devā tamhā kāyā cavanti.

‘Reverends, there are gods named “depraved by play”. They spend too much time laughing, playing, and making merry. And in doing so, they lose their mindfulness, and they pass away from that host of gods.
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2.18.10

Ṭhānaṃ kho panetaṃ, āvuso, vijjati, yaṃ aññataro satto tamhā kāyā cavitvā itthattaṃ āgacchati,

It’s possible that one of those beings passes away from that host and is reborn in this place.
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2.18.11

itthattaṃ āgato samāno agārasmā anagāriyaṃ pabbajati,

Having done so, they go forth from the lay life to homelessness.
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2.18.12

agārasmā anagāriyaṃ pabbajito samāno ātappamanvāya padhānamanvāya anuyogamanvāya appamādamanvāya sammāmanasikāramanvāya tathārūpaṃ cetosamādhiṃ phusati, yathāsamāhite citte taṃ pubbenivāsaṃ anussarati; tato paraṃ nānussarati.

By dint of keen, resolute, committed, and diligent effort, and right application of mind, they experience an immersion of the heart of such a kind that they recollect that past life, but no further.
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2.18.13

So evamāha:

They say,
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2.18.14

“ye kho te bhonto devā na khiḍḍāpadosikā te na ativelaṃ hassakhiḍḍāratidhammasamāpannā viharanti. Tesaṃ nātivelaṃ hassakhiḍḍāratidhammasamāpannānaṃ viharataṃ sati na sammussati, satiyā asammosā te devā tamhā kāyā na cavanti,

“The gods not depraved by play don’t spend too much time laughing, playing, and making merry. So they don’t lose their mindfulness, and don’t pass away from that host of gods.
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2.18.15

niccā dhuvā sassatā avipariṇāmadhammā sassatisamaṃ tatheva ṭhassanti.

They are permanent, everlasting, eternal, imperishable, remaining the same for all eternity.
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2.18.16

Ye pana mayaṃ ahumhā khiḍḍāpadosikā te mayaṃ ativelaṃ hassakhiḍḍāratidhammasamāpannā viharimhā, tesaṃ no ativelaṃ hassakhiḍḍāratidhammasamāpannānaṃ viharataṃ sati sammussati, satiyā sammosā evaṃ mayaṃ tamhā kāyā cutā,

But we who were depraved by play spent too much time laughing, playing, and making merry. In doing so, we lost our mindfulness, and passed away from that host of gods.
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2.18.17

aniccā addhuvā appāyukā cavanadhammā itthattaṃ āgatā”ti.

We are impermanent, not lasting, short-lived, liable to pass away, and have come to this place.”
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2.18.18

Evaṃvihitakaṃ no tumhe āyasmanto khiḍḍāpadosikaṃ ācariyakaṃ aggaññaṃ paññapethā’ti.

Is this how you describe in your denomination that the origin of the world came about due to those depraved by play?’
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2.18.19

Te evamāhaṃsu:

They say,
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2.18.20

‘evaṃ kho no, āvuso gotama, sutaṃ, yathevāyasmā gotamo āhā’ti.

‘That is what we have heard, Reverend Gotama, just as you say.’
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2.18.21

Aggaññañcāhaṃ, bhaggava, pajānāmi …pe…

Bhaggava, I understand the origin of the world.
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2.18.22

yadabhijānaṃ tathāgato no anayaṃ āpajjati.

Directly knowing this, the Realized One does not come to ruin.
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