大般涅槃經集解 70.79

70.79

案僧亮曰：上受異炷之明，今說明不異炷，於汝非譬，於我是譬。何者？炷是假名，以色觸為體，色即是明，明不異炷。我是假名，以二法為體，我不異二法也。寶亮曰：以即事為難。若謂炷明不相關者，現見炷大明盛，離炷無明也。

Sengliang states: Above, he accepted that light is different from the wick; now he explains that light is not different from the wick. For you it is not an analogy, but for me it is an analogy. Why? A wick is a conventional designation, having form and touch as its substance; form is light, and light is not different from the wick. The ātman is a conventional designation, having the two dharmas as its substance; the ātman is not different from the two dharmas. Baoliang states: He objects by appealing to actual facts. If one says that wick and light are unrelated, we currently observe that when the wick is large, the light is bright; apart from the wick there is no light.