Kathavatthu 12.2: Kammakathā

12.2.1.1

Sabbaṃ kammaṃ savipākanti?

Does all action have a result?

Controverted Point: That all action (karma) entails moral result (vipāka).

12.2.1.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

Controverted Point: That all action (karma) entails moral result (vipāka).

12.2.1.3

Sabbā cetanā savipākāti?

Does all intention have a result?

Theravādin: Do you imply that all volition entails result volition being moral action? If you deny, then your proposition is not universally valid. If you do imply that volition entails result, then you are committed to this—that volition which is indeterminate as to moral result entails moral result; that volition which is inoperative and therefore indeterminate as to moral result entails such result, whether such volition be exercised in any one of the three spheres of life, or in that which is not included in them … All of this you must deny … For do you not hold that resultant or inoperative volition, which is indeterminate as to moral result, cannot be said to entail result? Where then is your universal proposition?

12.2.1.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

12.2.1.5

sabbā cetanā savipākāti?

does all intention have a result?

12.2.1.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.1.7

Vipākābyākatā cetanā savipākāti?

Does intention that is undetermined resultant have a result?

12.2.1.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

12.2.1.9

sabbā cetanā savipākāti?

does all intention have a result?

12.2.1.10

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.1.11

Kiriyābyākatā cetanā savipākāti?

Does intention that is undetermined functional have a result?

12.2.1.12

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

12.2.2.1

Sabbā cetanā savipākāti?

Does all intention have a result?

12.2.2.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.2.3

Kāmāvacarā vipākābyākatā cetanā savipākāti?

Does sense-sphere intention that is undetermined resultant have a result?

12.2.2.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

12.2.2.5

sabbā cetanā savipākāti?

does all intention have a result?

12.2.2.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.2.7

Rūpāvacarā arūpāvacarā apariyāpannā vipākābyākatā cetanā savipākāti?

Does fine-material-sphere, immaterial-sphere, or unincluded intention that is undetermined resultant have a result?

12.2.2.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

12.2.3.1

Sabbā cetanā savipākāti?

Does all intention have a result?

12.2.3.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.3.3

Kāmāvacarā kiriyābyākatā cetanā savipākāti?

Does sense-sphere intention that is undetermined functional have a result?

12.2.3.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

12.2.3.5

sabbā cetanā savipākāti?

does all intention have a result?

12.2.3.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.3.7

Rūpāvacarā arūpāvacarā kiriyābyākatā cetanā savipākāti?

Does fine-material-sphere or immaterial-sphere intention that is undetermined functional have a result?

12.2.3.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

12.2.4.1

Vipākābyākatā cetanā avipākāti?

Is intention that is undetermined resultant without result?

12.2.4.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.4.3

Hañci vipākābyākatā cetanā avipākā, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If intention that is undetermined resultant is without result, then surely you should not say:

12.2.4.4

“sabbā cetanā savipākā”ti.

“All intention has a result.”

12.2.5.1

Kiriyābyākatā cetanā avipākāti?

Is intention that is undetermined functional without result?

12.2.5.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.5.3

Hañci kiriyābyākatā cetanā avipākā, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If intention that is undetermined functional is without result, then surely you should not say:

12.2.5.4

“sabbā cetanā savipākā”ti.

“All intention has a result.”

12.2.6.1

Kāmāvacarā rūpāvacarā arūpāvacarā apariyāpannā vipākābyākatā cetanā avipākāti?

Is sense-sphere, fine-material-sphere, immaterial-sphere, or unincluded intention that is undetermined resultant without result?

12.2.6.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.6.3

Hañci apariyāpannā vipākābyākatā cetanā avipākā, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If unincluded intention that is undetermined resultant is without result, then surely you should not say:

12.2.6.4

“sabbā cetanā savipākā”ti.

“All intention has a result.”

12.2.7.1

Kāmāvacarā rūpāvacarā arūpāvacarā kiriyābyākatā cetanā avipākāti?

Is sense-sphere, fine-material-sphere, or immaterial-sphere intention that is undetermined functional without result?

12.2.7.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

12.2.7.3

Hañci arūpāvacarā kiriyābyākatā cetanā avipākā, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If immaterial-sphere intention that is undetermined functional is without result, then surely you should not say—

12.2.7.4

“sabbā cetanā savipākā”ti.

"all volition has result".

12.2.8.1

Na vattabbaṃ—

Should it not be said:

Mahāsaṅghika: But if I am wrong, was it not said by the Exalted One:

12.2.8.2

“sabbaṃ kammaṃ savipākan”ti?

"All action has result"?

Mahāsaṅghika: But if I am wrong, was it not said by the Exalted One:

12.2.8.3

Āmantā.

Yes.

Mahāsaṅghika: But if I am wrong, was it not said by the Exalted One:

12.2.8.4

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

Mahāsaṅghika: But if I am wrong, was it not said by the Exalted One:

12.2.8.5

“nāhaṃ, bhikkhave, sañcetanikānaṃ kammānaṃ katānaṃ upacitānaṃ appaṭisaṃviditvā byantibhāvaṃ vadāmi, tañca kho diṭṭheva dhamme upapajje vā apare vā pariyāye”ti.

"I do not say, monks, that intentional actions done and accumulated are terminated without having been experienced, and that too either in this very life, or on rebirth, or in a subsequent sequence"?

“I declare, bhikkhus, that there can be no annulment of voluntary deeds done and accumulated, without experience of the results thereof, be it in this life or in the after-life”?

12.2.8.6

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a discourse?

“I declare, bhikkhus, that there can be no annulment of voluntary deeds done and accumulated, without experience of the results thereof, be it in this life or in the after-life”?

12.2.8.7

Āmantā.

Yes.

“I declare, bhikkhus, that there can be no annulment of voluntary deeds done and accumulated, without experience of the results thereof, be it in this life or in the after-life”?

12.2.8.8

Tena hi sabbaṃ kammaṃ savipākanti.

Therefore all action has result.

Wherefore all action surely entails result.

12.2.8.9

Kammakathā niṭṭhitā.

The discussion on action is finished.