Kathavatthu 23.2: Arahantavaṇṇakathā

23.2.1.1

Arahantānaṃ vaṇṇena amanussā methunaṃ dhammaṃ paṭisevantīti?

“Do non-humans indulge in sexual intercourse in the form of arahants?”

Controverted Point: That infra-human beings, taking the shape of Arahants, follow sexual desires.

23.2.1.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

Controverted Point: That infra-human beings, taking the shape of Arahants, follow sexual desires.

23.2.1.3

Arahantānaṃ vaṇṇena amanussā pāṇaṃ hananti …pe…

“Do non-humans in the form of arahants take life …

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.4

adinnaṃ ādiyanti,

take what is not given,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.5

musā bhaṇanti,

speak falsely,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.6

pisuṇaṃ bhaṇanti,

speak maliciously,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.7

pharusaṃ bhaṇanti,

speak harshly,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.8

samphaṃ palapanti,

indulge in frivolous chatter,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.9

sandhiṃ chindanti,

break into houses,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.10

nillopaṃ haranti,

carry off plunder,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.11

ekāgārikaṃ karonti,

commit solitary robbery,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.12

paripanthe tiṭṭhanti,

act as highwaymen,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.13

paradāraṃ gacchanti,

commit adultery,

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.14

gāmaghātakaṃ karonti …pe…

destroy villages …

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.15

nigamaghātakaṃ karontīti?

destroy market towns?”

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.16

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

Theravādin: Would you also say that such beings, resembling Arahants, commit any or all such crimes as are stated above (Kv 23.1)? You deny; but why limit them to one only of those crimes?

23.2.1.17

Arahantavaṇṇakathā niṭṭhitā.

The discussion on the form of arahants is finished.