Kathavatthu 7.1: Saṅgahitakathā

7.1.1.1

Natthi keci dhammā kehici dhammehi saṅgahitāti?

[Do you propose that] no phenomena are included within any phenomena?

Theravādin: But you do not also deny that any things may combine or be included with other things under a concept of totality or universality. Hence, how can you deny that they may be grouped together? The organs of sense and their objects are, you admit, computed under the material aggregate of a living individual. Pleasant, painful, or neutral feelings are computed under the aggregate of feeling. Percepts on occasion of sense and ideation come under the aggregate of perception. Volitions on occasion of sense and ideation come under the aggregate of conscious concomitants. Consciousness on occasion of sense and ideation comes under the aggregate of consciousness. Hence, by admitting these inclusions, you must admit that things may be grouped by an idea.

7.1.1.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

7.1.1.3

Nanu atthi keci dhammā kehici dhammehi gaṇanaṃ gacchanti uddesaṃ gacchanti pariyāpannāti?

Are there not some phenomena that are reckoned among, designated among, or subsumed within some phenomena?

7.1.1.4

Āmantā.

Yes.

7.1.1.5

Hañci atthi keci dhammā kehici dhammehi gaṇanaṃ gacchanti uddesaṃ gacchanti pariyāpannā, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If there are some phenomena that are reckoned among, designated among, or subsumed within some phenomena, then indeed you should not say:

7.1.1.6

“natthi keci dhammā kehici dhammehi saṅgahitā”ti.

“No phenomena are included within any phenomena.”

7.1.2.1

Cakkhāyatanaṃ katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

Under the reckoning of which aggregate does the eye base fall?

7.1.2.2

Rūpakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It falls under the reckoning of the aggregate of material form.

7.1.2.3

Hañci cakkhāyatanaṃ rūpakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If the eye base falls under the reckoning of the aggregate of material form, then indeed you should say:

7.1.2.4

“cakkhāyatanaṃ rūpakkhandhena saṅgahitan”ti.

“The eye base is included in the aggregate of material form.”

7.1.2.5

Sotāyatanaṃ …pe…

The ear base …pe…

7.1.2.6

ghānāyatanaṃ …pe…

the nose base …pe…

7.1.2.7

jivhāyatanaṃ …pe…

the tongue base …pe…

7.1.2.8

kāyāyatanaṃ katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

under the reckoning of which aggregate does the body base fall?

7.1.2.9

Rūpakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It falls under the reckoning of the aggregate of material form.

7.1.2.10

Hañci kāyāyatanaṃ rūpakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If the body base falls under the reckoning of the aggregate of material form, then indeed you should say:

7.1.2.11

“kāyāyatanaṃ rūpakkhandhena saṅgahitan”ti.

“The body base is included in the aggregate of material form.”

7.1.3.1

Rūpāyatanaṃ …pe…

The visible form base …pe…

7.1.3.2

saddāyatanaṃ …pe…

the sound base …pe…

7.1.3.3

gandhāyatanaṃ …pe…

the odor base …pe…

7.1.3.4

rasāyatanaṃ …pe…

the flavor base …pe…

7.1.3.5

phoṭṭhabbāyatanaṃ katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

under the reckoning of which aggregate does the tactile base fall?

7.1.3.6

Rūpakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It falls under the reckoning of the aggregate of material form.

7.1.3.7

Hañci phoṭṭhabbāyatanaṃ rūpakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If the tactile base falls under the reckoning of the aggregate of material form, then indeed you should say:

7.1.3.8

“phoṭṭhabbāyatanaṃ rūpakkhandhena saṅgahitan”ti.

“The tactile base is included in the aggregate of material form.”

7.1.4.1

Sukhā vedanā katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

Under the reckoning of which aggregate does pleasant feeling fall?

7.1.4.2

Vedanākkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It falls under the reckoning of the aggregate of feeling.

7.1.4.3

Hañci sukhā vedanā vedanākkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If pleasant feeling is counted under the feeling aggregate, then indeed, sir, you should say:

7.1.4.4

“sukhā vedanā vedanākkhandhena saṅgahitā”ti.

“Pleasant feeling is included in the feeling aggregate.”

7.1.4.5

Dukkhā vedanā …pe… adukkhamasukhā vedanā katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

Painful feeling …pe… neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling: under which aggregate's reckoning does it come?

7.1.4.6

Vedanākkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It comes under the reckoning of the feeling aggregate.

7.1.4.7

Hañci adukkhamasukhā vedanā vedanākkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling comes under the reckoning of the feeling aggregate, then indeed, sir, you should say:

7.1.4.8

“adukkhamasukhā vedanā vedanākkhandhena saṅgahitā”ti.

“Neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling is included in the feeling aggregate.”

7.1.5.1

Cakkhusamphassajā saññā katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

Under which aggregate's reckoning does perception born of eye-contact come?

7.1.5.2

Saññākkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It comes under the reckoning of the perception aggregate.

7.1.5.3

Hañci cakkhusamphassajā saññā saññākkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If perception born of eye-contact comes under the reckoning of the perception aggregate, then indeed, sir, you should say:

7.1.5.4

“cakkhusamphassajā saññā saññākkhandhena saṅgahitā”ti.

“Perception born of eye-contact is included in the perception aggregate.”

7.1.5.5

Sotasamphassajā saññā …pe…

Perception born of ear-contact …pe…

7.1.5.6

manosamphassajā saññā katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

under which aggregate's reckoning does perception born of mind-contact come?

7.1.5.7

Saññākkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It comes under the reckoning of the perception aggregate.

7.1.5.8

Hañci manosamphassajā saññā saññākkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If perception born of mind-contact comes under the reckoning of the perception aggregate, then indeed, sir, you should say:

7.1.5.9

“manosamphassajā saññā saññākkhandhena saṅgahitā”ti.

“Perception born of mind-contact is included in the perception aggregate.”

7.1.6.1

Cakkhusamphassajā cetanā …pe…

Volition born of eye-contact …pe…

7.1.6.2

manosamphassajā cetanā katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

under which aggregate's reckoning does volition born of mind-contact come?

7.1.6.3

Saṅkhārakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It comes under the reckoning of the volitional formations aggregate.

7.1.6.4

Hañci manosamphassajā cetanā saṅkhārakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If volition born of mind-contact comes under the reckoning of the volitional formations aggregate, then indeed, sir, you should say:

7.1.6.5

“manosamphassajā cetanā saṅkhārakkhandhena saṅgahitā”ti.

“Volition born of mind-contact is included in the volitional formations aggregate.”

7.1.7.1

Cakkhuviññāṇaṃ …pe…

Eye-consciousness …pe…

7.1.7.2

manoviññāṇaṃ katamakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti?

under which aggregate's reckoning does mind-consciousness come?

7.1.7.3

Viññāṇakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchatīti.

It comes under the reckoning of the consciousness aggregate.

7.1.7.4

Hañci manoviññāṇaṃ viññāṇakkhandhagaṇanaṃ gacchati, tena vata re vattabbe—

If mind-consciousness comes under the reckoning of the consciousness aggregate, then indeed, sir, you should say:

7.1.7.5

“manoviññāṇaṃ viññāṇakkhandhena saṅgahitan”ti.

“Mind-consciousness is included in the consciousness aggregate.”

7.1.8.1

Yathā dāmena vā yottena vā dve balībaddā saṅgahitā, sikkāya piṇḍapāto saṅgahito, sā gaddulena saṅgahito;

Just as two oxen are held together by a rope or a strap, almsfood is held in a carrying sling, and a dog is held by a leash,

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: Then you understand “things being grouped together by ideas” in the same way as two bullocks may be grouped together by a rope or a yoke, an alms-bowl may be held together by a suspender, a dog may be held in by a leash?

7.1.8.2

evameva te dhammā tehi dhammehi saṅgahitāti?

in the very same way are those phenomena included by those phenomena?

Rājagirika, Siddhatthika: Then you understand “things being grouped together by ideas” in the same way as two bullocks may be grouped together by a rope or a yoke, an alms-bowl may be held together by a suspender, a dog may be held in by a leash?

7.1.8.3

Hañci dāmena vā yottena vā dve balībaddā saṅgahitā, sikkāya piṇḍapāto saṅgahito, sā gaddulena saṅgahito, tena vata re vattabbe—

If two oxen are held together by a rope or a strap, almsfood is held in a carrying sling, and a dog is held by a leash, then indeed, sir, you should say:

Theravādin: Yes; and hence it is not less right to say that some things may be grouped together by other things (ideas).

7.1.8.4

“atthi keci dhammā kehici dhammehi saṅgahitā”ti.

“There are certain phenomena included in certain phenomena.”

Theravādin: Yes; and hence it is not less right to say that some things may be grouped together by other things (ideas).

7.1.8.5

Saṅgahitakathā niṭṭhitā.

Discussion of Inclusion is finished.