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With Pāyāsi 18.1-35

Pāyāsisutta 18.1-35

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Pāli

18.1

“Kiñcāpi bhavaṃ kassapo evamāha, atha kho evaṃ me ettha hoti:

“Even though the worthy Kassapa says this, still I think that

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18.2

‘itipi natthi paro loko, natthi sattā opapātikā, natthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko’”ti.

there is no afterlife.”

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18.3

“Atthi pana, rājañña, pariyāyo …pe…

“Can you prove it?”

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18.4

atthi, bho kassapa, pariyāyo …pe…

“I can.”

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18.5

yathā kathaṃ viya, rājaññā”ti?

“How, exactly, chieftain?”

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18.6

“Idha me, bho kassapa, purisā coraṃ āgucāriṃ gahetvā dassenti:

“Suppose they were to arrest a bandit, a criminal and present him to me, saying,

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18.7

‘ayaṃ te, bhante, coro āgucārī;

‘Sir, this is a bandit, a criminal.

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18.8

imassa yaṃ icchasi, taṃ daṇḍaṃ paṇehī’ti.

Punish him as you will.’

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18.9

Tyāhaṃ evaṃ vadāmi:

I say to them,

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18.10

‘tena hi, bho, imaṃ purisaṃ anupahacca chaviñca cammañca maṃsañca nhāruñca aṭṭhiñca aṭṭhimiñjañca jīvitā voropetha, appeva nāmassa jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passeyyāmā’ti.

‘Well then, worthy sir, take this man’s life without damaging his outer skin, inner skin, flesh, sinews, bones, or marrow. Hopefully we’ll see his soul escaping.’

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18.11

Te me ‘sādhū’ti paṭissutvā taṃ purisaṃ anupahacca chaviñca …pe… jīvitā voropenti.

They agree, and do what I ask.

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18.12

Yadā so āmato hoti, tyāhaṃ evaṃ vadāmi:

When he’s nearly dead, I tell them to

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18.13

‘tena hi, bho, imaṃ purisaṃ uttānaṃ nipātetha, appeva nāmassa jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passeyyāmā’ti.

lay him on his back in hope of seeing his soul escape.

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18.14

Te taṃ purisaṃ uttānaṃ nipātenti.

They do so.

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18.15

Nevassa mayaṃ jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passāma.

But we don’t see his soul escaping.

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18.16

Tyāhaṃ evaṃ vadāmi:

I tell them to

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18.17

‘tena hi, bho, imaṃ purisaṃ avakujjaṃ nipātetha …

lay him bent over,

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18.18

passena nipātetha …

to lay him on his side,

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18.19

dutiyena passena nipātetha …

to lay him on the other side;

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18.20

uddhaṃ ṭhapetha …

to stand him upright,

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18.21

omuddhakaṃ ṭhapetha …

to stand him upside down;

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18.22

pāṇinā ākoṭetha …

to strike him with fists,

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18.23

leḍḍunā ākoṭetha …

stones,

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18.24

daṇḍena ākoṭetha …

rods,

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18.25

satthena ākoṭetha …

and swords;

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18.26

odhunātha sandhunātha niddhunātha, appeva nāmassa jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passeyyāmā’ti.

and to give him a good shaking in hope of seeing his soul escape.

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18.27

Te taṃ purisaṃ odhunanti sandhunanti niddhunanti.

They do all these things.

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18.28

Nevassa mayaṃ jīvaṃ nikkhamantaṃ passāma.

But we don’t see his soul escaping.

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18.29

Tassa tadeva cakkhu hoti te rūpā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti.

For him the eye itself is present, and so are those sights. Yet he does not experience that sense-field.

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18.30

Tadeva sotaṃ hoti te saddā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti.

The ear itself is present, and so are those sounds. Yet he does not experience that sense-field.

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18.31

Tadeva ghānaṃ hoti te gandhā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti.

The nose itself is present, and so are those smells. Yet he does not experience that sense-field.

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18.32

Sāva jivhā hoti te rasā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti.

The tongue itself is present, and so are those tastes. Yet he does not experience that sense-field.

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18.33

Sveva kāyo hoti te phoṭṭhabbā, tañcāyatanaṃ nappaṭisaṃvedeti.

The body itself is present, and so are those touches. Yet he does not experience that sense-field.

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18.34

Ayampi kho, bho kassapa, pariyāyo, yena me pariyāyena evaṃ hoti:

This is how I prove that

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18.35

‘itipi natthi paro loko, natthi sattā opapātikā, natthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko’”ti.

there is no afterlife.”

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