With Pāyāsi 5.1-13

5.1

Ekamantaṃ nisinno kho pāyāsi rājañño āyasmantaṃ kumārakassapaṃ etadavoca:

Seated to one side, the chieftain Pāyāsi said to Venerable Kassapa the Prince,

5.2

“ahañhi, bho kassapa, evaṃvādī evaṃdiṭṭhī:

“Worthy Kassapa, this is my doctrine and view:

5.3

‘itipi natthi paro loko, natthi sattā opapātikā, natthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko’”ti.

‘There is no afterlife. No beings are reborn spontaneously. There’s no fruit or result of good and bad deeds.’”

5.4

“Nāhaṃ, rājañña, evaṃvādiṃ evaṃdiṭṭhiṃ addasaṃ vā assosiṃ vā.

“Chieftain, may I never see or hear of anyone holding such a doctrine or view!

5.5

Kathañhi nāma evaṃ vadeyya:

For how on earth can anyone say such a thing?

5.6

‘itipi natthi paro loko, natthi sattā opapātikā, natthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko’ti?

5.8

Tena hi, rājañña, taññevettha paṭipucchissāmi, yathā te khameyya, tathā naṃ byākareyyāsi.

Well then, chieftain, I’ll ask you about this in return, and you can answer as you like.

5.9

Taṃ kiṃ maññasi, rājañña,

What do you think, chieftain?

5.10

ime candimasūriyā imasmiṃ vā loke parasmiṃ vā, devā vā te manussā vā”ti?

Are the moon and sun in this world or the other world? Are they gods or humans?”

5.11

“Ime, bho kassapa, candimasūriyā parasmiṃ loke, na imasmiṃ; devā te na manussā”ti.

“They are in the other world, worthy Kassapa, and they are gods, not humans.”

5.12

“Imināpi kho te, rājañña, pariyāyena evaṃ hotu—

“By this method it ought to be proven that

5.13

itipi atthi paro loko, atthi sattā opapātikā, atthi sukatadukkaṭānaṃ kammānaṃ phalaṃ vipāko”ti.

there is an afterlife, there are beings reborn spontaneously, and there is a fruit or result of good and bad deeds.”