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Viyahapannatti 14.4

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14.4.607

"Venerable Sir, was this pudgala throughout the past infinite, eternal time dry for a moment, non-dry for a moment, or both dry and non-dry for a moment? And previously, through activity, does it transform into a transformation of manifold color and manifold form? Below, that transformation is dissipated; after that, could it become of single color and single form?"
"Yes, Gautama, this pudgala throughout the past infinite, eternal time [was] just that, up to: could become of single form."
"Venerable Sir, is this pudgala throughout the present eternal time dry for a moment?" Just the same.
"Venerable Sir, will this pudgala throughout future eternal time be dry for a moment?" Just the same.
"Venerable Sir, was an aggregate throughout past infinite, eternal time dry for a moment?" Just the same; an aggregate also just like pudgala.

14.4.608

"Venerable Sir, was this jīva throughout past infinite, eternal time unhappy for a moment, non-unhappy for a moment, or both unhappy and non-unhappy for a moment? And previously, through activity, does it transform into a transformation of manifold state and manifold nature? Below, that feeling-producing [karma] is dissipated; after that, could it become of single state and single nature?"
"Yes, Gautama, this jīva throughout past infinite, eternal time, up to: could become of single nature. Likewise throughout present eternal time; likewise throughout future infinite, eternal time."

14.4.609

"Venerable Sir, is an ultimate atom pudgala eternal or non-eternal?"
"Gautama, in some respect it is eternal, in some respect it is non-eternal."
"For what reason, Venerable Sir, is it said: 'in some respect it is eternal, in some respect it is non-eternal'?"
"Gautama, in terms of substance it is eternal; in terms of color-modes, odor-modes, taste-modes, and touch-modes it is non-eternal. For that reason, Gautama, it is said: 'in some respect it is eternal, in some respect it is non-eternal.'"

14.4.610

"Venerable Sir, is an ultimate atom [of] pudgala ultimate or non-ultimate?"
"Gautama, in terms of substance, it is not ultimate, it is non-ultimate. In terms of realm, it may be ultimate, it may be non-ultimate. In terms of time, it may be ultimate, it may be non-ultimate. In terms of state, it may be ultimate, it may be non-ultimate."

14.4.611

"Venerable Sir, how many kinds of transformation are expounded?"
"Gautama, two kinds of transformation are expounded, namely: transformation of jīva and transformation of non-jīva. In this way, the entire 'Chapter on Transformation' should be recited without omission."
"Truly so, Venerable Sir! Truly so, Venerable Sir!" [Gautama said], and so on, and goes on living.

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