The Compendium of Caraka 3.8.20_2

3.8.20_2

tatra pratiniviṣṭāyāṃ pariṣadi jñānavijñānavacanaprativacanaśaktisaṃpannāyāṃ mūḍhāyāṃ vā na kathaṃcit kenacit saha jalpo vidhīyate; mūḍhāyāṃ tu suhṛtpariṣadyudāsīnāyāṃ vā jñānavijñānavacanaprativacanaśaktīrantareṇāpy-*adīptayaśasā mahājavacidviṣṭenāpi saha jalpo vidhīyate/

There, in a biased assembly—whether endowed with knowledge, specialized knowledge, and the power of statement and rejoinder, or ignorant—debate is by no means prescribed with anyone. In an ignorant assembly, however, whether friendly or impartial, debate is prescribed even with one devoid of knowledge, specialized knowledge, and the power of statement and rejoinder, whose fame has not shone forth, or who is detested by the populace.