圓悟佛果禪師語錄 18.79

18.79

舉：「本仁示眾云：『尋常不欲向聲前句後鼓弄人家男女。何故？且聲不是聲，色不是色。』僧問：『如何是聲不是聲？』仁云：『喚作色得麼？』僧云：『如何是色不是色？』仁云：『喚作聲得麼？』僧無語，仁云：『且道：為汝說？答汝話？若人辨得，許爾有箇入處。』」

[Yuanwu] brought up: "Benren instructed the assembly, saying: 'Ordinarily, I do not wish to manipulate people's sons and daughters before sound and after phrase. Why is that? For sound is not sound, and form is not form.' A monk asked, 'How is it that sound is not sound?' Benren said, 'Could you call it form?' The monk said, 'How is it that form is not form?' Benren said, 'Could you call it sound?' The monk was speechless. Benren said, 'Now tell me: is this speaking for you, or answering your words? If someone can discern this, I grant that you have an entry point.'"