圓悟佛果禪師語錄 18.79
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18.79
[Yuanwu] brought up: "Benren instructed the assembly, saying: 'Ordinarily, I do not wish to manipulate people's sons and daughters before sound and after phrase. Why is that? For sound is not sound, and form is not form.' A monk asked, 'How is it that sound is not sound?' Benren said, 'Could you call it form?' The monk said, 'How is it that form is not form?' Benren said, 'Could you call it sound?' The monk was speechless. Benren said, 'Now tell me: is this speaking for you, or answering your words? If someone can discern this, I grant that you have an entry point.'"
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