圓悟佛果禪師語錄 16.43

16.43

[The Master] cited: "A monk asked Pozhaoduo: 'What is a person of great cultivation?' Zhaoduo said: 'Bearing a cangue and carrying chains.' The monk said: 'What is a person of great karmic wrongdoing?' Zhaoduo said: 'Sitting in meditation and entering samādhi.' He added: 'Do you understand?' The monk said: 'I do not.' Zhaoduo said: 'You ask me about good: good does not come from evil. You ask me about evil: evil does not come from good.' Later, a monk related this to National Teacher Anguo. An said: 'This fellow thoroughly understands that all dharmas are unproduced.'" The Master said: "Fathoming good: from where does good arise? Investigating evil: from where does evil originate? If you can clearly see this ground, it is precisely that all dharmas are unproduced. Were someone to ask Chongning: 'What is a person of great cultivation?' I would tell him: 'Sitting in meditation and entering samādhi.' 'What is a person of great karmic wrongdoing?' I would tell him: 'Bearing a cangue and carrying chains.' Tell me: are they the same or different?"