Viyahapannatti 7.7.362

7.7.362

“Venerable Sir! Are objects of desire material or immaterial?”
“Gautama! Objects of desire are material, not immaterial.”
“Venerable Sir! Are objects of desire animate or inanimate?”
“Gautama! Objects of desire are both animate and inanimate.”
“Venerable Sir! Are objects of desire living souls or non-living things?”
“Gautama! Objects of desire are both living souls and non-living things.”
“Venerable Sir! Do objects of desire belong to living beings or to non-living things?”
“Gautama! Objects of desire belong to living beings, not to non-living things.”
“How many kinds, Venerable Sir, of objects of desire are declared?”
“Gautama! Two kinds of objects of desire are declared, namely: sounds and forms.”
“Venerable Sir! Are objects of enjoyment material or immaterial?”
“Gautama! Objects of enjoyment are material, not immaterial.”
“Venerable Sir! Are objects of enjoyment animate or inanimate?”
“Gautama! Objects of enjoyment are both animate and inanimate.”
“Venerable Sir! Are objects of enjoyment living souls or non-living things?”
“Gautama! Objects of enjoyment are both living souls and non-living things.”
“Venerable Sir! Do objects of enjoyment belong to living beings or to non-living things?”
“Gautama! Objects of enjoyment belong to living beings, not to non-living things.”
“How many kinds, Venerable Sir, of objects of enjoyment are declared?”
“Gautama! Three kinds of objects of enjoyment are declared, namely: smells, tastes, and touches.”
“How many kinds, Venerable Sir, of objects of desire and enjoyment are declared?”
“Gautama! Five kinds of objects of desire and enjoyment are declared, namely: sounds, forms, smells, tastes, and touches.”
“Venerable Sir! Are living beings experiencing desire or experiencing enjoyment?”
“Gautama! Living beings both experience desire and experience enjoyment.”
“For what reason, Venerable Sir, is it said: ‘Living beings both experience desire and experience enjoyment’?”
“Gautama! With respect to the auditory and visual sense organs, they experience desire; with respect to the olfactory, gustatory, and tactile sense organs, they experience enjoyment. For that reason, Gautama, it is said: ‘Living beings both experience desire and experience enjoyment.’”
“Venerable Sir! Do inhabitants of hell experience desire or experience enjoyment?”
In the same way, up to the Stanitakumāras.
Regarding earth-bodied beings: [the same] question.
“Gautama! Earth-bodied beings do not experience desire; they experience enjoyment.”
“For what reason, and so forth, do they experience enjoyment?”
“Gautama! With respect to the tactile sense organ. For that reason, and so forth, they experience enjoyment.” In this way, up to plant-bodied beings. Two-sensed beings likewise, with the distinction: with respect to the gustatory and tactile sense organs. Three-sensed beings also likewise, with the distinction: with respect to the olfactory, gustatory, and tactile sense organs.
Regarding four-sensed beings: [the same] question.
“Gautama! Four-sensed beings both experience desire and experience enjoyment.”
“For what reason, and so forth, do they also experience enjoyment?”
“Gautama! With respect to the visual sense organ, they experience desire; with respect to the olfactory, gustatory, and tactile sense organs, they experience enjoyment. For that reason, and so forth, they also experience enjoyment.” The rest are like general living beings, up to the Vaimānikas.
“Of these living beings, Venerable Sir—those experiencing desire and enjoyment, those experiencing neither desire nor enjoyment, and those experiencing enjoyment—which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater compared to one another?”
“Gautama! Living beings experiencing desire and enjoyment are the fewest; those experiencing neither desire nor enjoyment are infinitely more; those experiencing enjoyment are infinitely more than them.”