Kathavatthu 3.6: Aṭṭhamakassaindriyakathā

3.6.1.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have no faculty of faith?

Theravādin: You must deny him faith, if you deny in him the controlling power of faith. So also for the other four. But you will not go as far as that. Contrariwise, you do allow that he as Eighth Man has faith and the rest, but you go no further. Yet you are prepared to admit, with respect to other controlling powers—e.g., mind, gladness, etc.… and psychic life—that whoso has the attribute, has also the controlling power of it. Why draw the line at those five? as, in fact, you do.

3.6.1.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.1.3

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi saddhāti?

Does the eighth person have no faith?

3.6.1.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe.

It should not be said thus.

3.6.1.5

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi vīriyindriyaṃ …pe…

Does the eighth person have no faculty of energy …

3.6.1.6

natthi satindriyaṃ …pe…

have no faculty of mindfulness …

3.6.1.7

natthi samādhindriyaṃ …pe…

have no faculty of concentration …

3.6.1.8

natthi paññindriyanti?

have no faculty of wisdom?

3.6.1.9

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.1.10

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi paññāti?

Does the eighth person have no wisdom?

3.6.1.11

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

3.6.2.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhāti?

Does the eighth person have faith?

3.6.2.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.2.3

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have the faculty of faith?

3.6.2.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

3.6.2.5

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi vīriyaṃ …pe…

Does the eighth person have energy …

3.6.2.6

atthi sati …

have mindfulness …

3.6.2.7

atthi samādhi …

have concentration …

3.6.2.8

atthi paññāti?

have wisdom?

3.6.2.9

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.2.10

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi paññindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.2.11

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

3.6.3.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi mano, atthi manindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have mind and have the mind-faculty?

3.6.3.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.3.3

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, atthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have faith and have the faculty of faith?

3.6.3.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

3.6.3.5

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi mano, atthi manindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have mind and have the mind-faculty?

3.6.3.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.3.7

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi paññā, atthi paññindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have wisdom and have the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.3.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

3.6.4.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi somanassaṃ, atthi somanassindriyaṃ, atthi jīvitaṃ, atthi jīvitindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have joy, and have the joy faculty; have life, and have the life faculty?

3.6.4.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.4.3

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, atthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have faith, and have the faith faculty?

3.6.4.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

3.6.4.5

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi jīvitaṃ, atthi jīvitindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have life, and have the life faculty?

3.6.4.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.4.7

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa …pe…

Does the eighth person …pe…

3.6.4.8

atthi paññā, atthi paññindriyanti?

have wisdom, and have the wisdom faculty?

3.6.4.9

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

3.6.5.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, natthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have faith, but not have the faith faculty?

3.6.5.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.5.3

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi mano, natthi manindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have mind, but not have the mind faculty?

3.6.5.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

3.6.6.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, natthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have faith, but not have the faith faculty?

3.6.6.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.6.3

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi somanassaṃ, natthi somanassindriyanti …pe… atthi jīvitaṃ, natthi jīvitindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have joy, but not have the joy faculty …pe… have life, but not have the life faculty?

3.6.6.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

3.6.6.5

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi paññā, natthi paññindriyanti?

does the eighth person have wisdom, but not have the wisdom faculty?

3.6.6.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.6.7

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi mano, natthi manindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have mind, but not have the mind faculty?

3.6.6.8

Atthi somanassaṃ, natthi somanassindriyanti?

Does he have joy, but not have the joy faculty?

3.6.6.9

Atthi jīvitaṃ, natthi jīvitindriyanti?

Does he have life, but not have the life faculty?

3.6.6.10

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

3.6.7.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person lack the faith faculty?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.3

Aṭṭhamako puggalo assaddhoti?

Is the eighth person faithless?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.5

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi vīriyindriyanti?

does the eighth person lack the energy faculty?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.7

Aṭṭhamako puggalo kusīto hīnavīriyoti?

Is the eighth person lazy and lacking in energy?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.9

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi satindriyanti?

does the eighth person lack the mindfulness faculty?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.10

Āmantā.

Yes.

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.11

Aṭṭhamako puggalo muṭṭhassati asampajānoti?

Is the eighth person forgetful and uncomprehending?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.12

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.13

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi samādhindriyanti?

does the eighth person lack the concentration faculty?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.14

Āmantā.

Yes.

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.15

Aṭṭhamako puggalo asamāhito vibbhantacittoti?

Is the eighth person unconcentrated and of distracted mind?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.16

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.17

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi paññindriyanti?

does the eighth person lack the wisdom faculty?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.18

Āmantā.

Yes.

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.19

Aṭṭhamako puggalo duppañño elamūgoti?

Is the eighth person foolish, deaf and dumb?

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.7.20

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

You contend that, whereas the controlling power of faith is absent in him, faith itself is not absent. That whereas the controlling powers of energy, mindfulness, concentration, and reason are absent in him, he is neither indolent, nor heedless, nor unsteady or mentally vacillating, nor stupid, nor deaf, nor dumb.

3.6.8.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, sā ca saddhā niyyānikāti?

Does the eighth person have faith, and is that faith leading to liberation?

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.3

Hañci aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, sā ca saddhā niyyānikā, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If the eighth person has faith, and that faith is leading to liberation, then indeed you should not say—

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.4

“aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi saddhindriyan”ti.

“The eighth person lacks the faith faculty.”

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.5

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi vīriyaṃ, tañca vīriyaṃ niyyānikaṃ;

Does the eighth person have energy, and is that energy leading to liberation;

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.6

atthi sati, sā ca sati niyyānikā;

does he have mindfulness, and is that mindfulness leading to liberation;

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.7

atthi samādhi, so ca samādhi niyyāniko;

does he have concentration, and is that concentration leading to liberation;

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.8

atthi paññā, sā ca paññā niyyānikāti?

does he have wisdom, and is that wisdom leading to liberation?

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.9

Āmantā.

Yes.

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.10

Hañci aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi paññā, sā ca paññā niyyānikā, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If the eighth person has wisdom, and that wisdom is leading to liberation, then indeed you should not say—

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.8.11

“aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi paññindriyan”ti.

“The eighth person lacks the wisdom faculty.”

You acknowledge that his faith, energy, etc., are of the saving kind called forth-leading, yet you do not credit him with the controlling powers in which such attributes consist.

3.6.9.1

Sakadāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipannassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, atthi saddhindriyanti?

Does a person practicing for the realization of the fruit of once-returning have faith, and have the faith faculty?

You admit the attainment both of the attributes and of these five controlling powers in the person who is practising that he may realize the fruit of Once-Returning, of Never-Returning, of Arahantship, but you deny the latter for the Eighth Man alone; the one goes with the other!

3.6.9.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.9.3

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, atthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have faith, and have the faith faculty?

3.6.9.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

3.6.9.5

sakadāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipannassa puggalassa atthi paññā, atthi paññindriyanti?

does a person practicing for the realization of the fruit of once-returning have wisdom, and have the wisdom faculty?

3.6.9.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.9.7

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi paññā, atthi paññindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have wisdom, have the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.9.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

3.6.10.1

Anāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipannassa puggalassa …

For a person practicing for the realization of the fruit of non-returning …

3.6.10.2

arahattasacchikiriyāya paṭipannassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, atthi saddhindriyaṃ …pe…

for a person practicing for the realization of arahantship, is there faith, is there the faculty of faith …pe…

3.6.10.3

atthi paññā, atthi paññindriyanti?

is there wisdom, is there the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.10.4

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.10.5

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi paññā, atthi paññindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have wisdom, have the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.10.6

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

3.6.11.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, natthi saddhindriyanti?

Does the eighth person have faith, but not the faculty of faith?

3.6.11.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.11.3

Sakadāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipannassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, natthi saddhindriyanti?

Does a person practicing for the realization of the fruit of once-returning have faith, but not the faculty of faith?

3.6.11.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

3.6.11.5

aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi paññā, natthi paññindriyanti?

does the eighth person have wisdom, but not the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.11.6

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.11.7

Sakadāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipannassa puggalassa atthi paññā, natthi paññindriyanti?

Does a person practicing for the realization of the fruit of once-returning have wisdom, but not the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.11.8

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

3.6.12.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi saddhā, natthi saddhindriyanti …pe…

Does the eighth person have faith, but not the faculty of faith …pe…

3.6.12.2

atthi paññā, natthi paññindriyanti?

have wisdom, but not the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.12.3

Āmantā.

Yes.

3.6.12.4

Anāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipannassa puggalassa …

Does a person practicing for the realization of the fruit of non-returning …

3.6.12.5

arahattasacchikiriyāya paṭipannassa puggalassa atthi paññā, natthi paññindriyanti?

does a person practicing for the realization of arahantship have wisdom, but not the faculty of wisdom?

3.6.12.6

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

3.6.13.1

Aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa natthi pañcindriyānīti?

Does the eighth person lack the five faculties?

Finally, is there not a Suttanta in which the Exalted One said:

3.6.13.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

Finally, is there not a Suttanta in which the Exalted One said:

3.6.13.3

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

Finally, is there not a Suttanta in which the Exalted One said:

3.6.13.4

“pañcimāni, bhikkhave, indriyāni.

“There are these five faculties, mendicants.

“The five controlling powers, bhikkhus—which are they? The controlling powers that are faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, understanding. From the completion and perfection of these five, a man becomes Arahant. Held in a weaker degree, the holder becomes one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Arahantship; in a yet weaker degree the holder becomes a Never-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Never-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Once-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Once-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Stream-Winner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Stream-Winning. In whom these five controlling powers are in every way, and everywhere wholly absent, he, I declare, is one who stands without, in the ranks of the average man”?

3.6.13.5

Katamāni pañca?

Which five?

“The five controlling powers, bhikkhus—which are they? The controlling powers that are faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, understanding. From the completion and perfection of these five, a man becomes Arahant. Held in a weaker degree, the holder becomes one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Arahantship; in a yet weaker degree the holder becomes a Never-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Never-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Once-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Once-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Stream-Winner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Stream-Winning. In whom these five controlling powers are in every way, and everywhere wholly absent, he, I declare, is one who stands without, in the ranks of the average man”?

3.6.13.6

Saddhindriyaṃ, vīriyindriyaṃ, satindriyaṃ, samādhindriyaṃ, paññindriyaṃ—

The faculty of faith, the faculty of energy, the faculty of mindfulness, the faculty of concentration, the faculty of wisdom—

“The five controlling powers, bhikkhus—which are they? The controlling powers that are faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, understanding. From the completion and perfection of these five, a man becomes Arahant. Held in a weaker degree, the holder becomes one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Arahantship; in a yet weaker degree the holder becomes a Never-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Never-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Once-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Once-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Stream-Winner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Stream-Winning. In whom these five controlling powers are in every way, and everywhere wholly absent, he, I declare, is one who stands without, in the ranks of the average man”?

3.6.13.7

imāni kho, bhikkhave, pañcindriyāni.

these, mendicants, are the five faculties.

“The five controlling powers, bhikkhus—which are they? The controlling powers that are faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, understanding. From the completion and perfection of these five, a man becomes Arahant. Held in a weaker degree, the holder becomes one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Arahantship; in a yet weaker degree the holder becomes a Never-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Never-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Once-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Once-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Stream-Winner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Stream-Winning. In whom these five controlling powers are in every way, and everywhere wholly absent, he, I declare, is one who stands without, in the ranks of the average man”?

3.6.13.8

Imesaṃ kho, bhikkhave, pañcannaṃ indriyānaṃ samattā paripūrattā arahā hoti.

From the completeness and fulfillment of these five faculties, mendicants, one is an arahant.

“The five controlling powers, bhikkhus—which are they? The controlling powers that are faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, understanding. From the completion and perfection of these five, a man becomes Arahant. Held in a weaker degree, the holder becomes one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Arahantship; in a yet weaker degree the holder becomes a Never-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Never-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Once-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Once-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Stream-Winner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Stream-Winning. In whom these five controlling powers are in every way, and everywhere wholly absent, he, I declare, is one who stands without, in the ranks of the average man”?

3.6.13.9

Tato mudutarehi arahattasacchikiriyāya paṭipanno hoti, tato mudutarehi anāgāmī hoti, tato mudutarehi anāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipanno hoti, tato mudutarehi sakadāgāmī hoti, tato mudutarehi sakadāgāmiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipanno hoti, tato mudutarehi sotāpanno hoti, tato mudutarehi sotāpattiphalasacchikiriyāya paṭipanno hoti.

With ones softer than these, one is practicing for the realization of arahantship; with ones softer than these, one is a non-returner; with ones softer than these, one is practicing for the realization of the fruit of non-returning; with ones softer than these, one is a once-returner; with ones softer than these, one is practicing for the realization of the fruit of once-returning; with ones softer than these, one is a stream-enterer; with ones softer than these, one is practicing for the realization of the fruit of stream-entry.

“The five controlling powers, bhikkhus—which are they? The controlling powers that are faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, understanding. From the completion and perfection of these five, a man becomes Arahant. Held in a weaker degree, the holder becomes one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Arahantship; in a yet weaker degree the holder becomes a Never-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Never-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Once-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Once-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Stream-Winner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Stream-Winning. In whom these five controlling powers are in every way, and everywhere wholly absent, he, I declare, is one who stands without, in the ranks of the average man”?

3.6.13.10

Yassa kho, bhikkhave, imāni pañcindriyāni sabbena sabbaṃ sabbathā sabbaṃ natthi, tamahaṃ ‘bāhiro puthujjanapakkhe ṭhito’ti vadāmī”ti.

He who, mendicants, lacks these five faculties completely in every way, him I call ‘an outsider standing on the side of the worldlings’”?

“The five controlling powers, bhikkhus—which are they? The controlling powers that are faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, understanding. From the completion and perfection of these five, a man becomes Arahant. Held in a weaker degree, the holder becomes one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Arahantship; in a yet weaker degree the holder becomes a Never-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Never-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Once-Returner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Once-Returning; in a yet weaker degree, a Stream-Winner; in a yet weaker degree, one who is practising that he may realize the Fruit of Stream-Winning. In whom these five controlling powers are in every way, and everywhere wholly absent, he, I declare, is one who stands without, in the ranks of the average man”?

3.6.13.11

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a sutta discourse?

Yet you would not say that the Eighth Man stood thus without? Hence you must concede that the five controlling powers are present in him.

3.6.13.12

Āmantā.

Yes.

Yet you would not say that the Eighth Man stood thus without? Hence you must concede that the five controlling powers are present in him.

3.6.13.13

Aṭṭhamako puggalo bāhiro puthujjanapakkhe ṭhitoti?

Is the eighth person an outsider standing on the side of the worldlings?

Yet you would not say that the Eighth Man stood thus without? Hence you must concede that the five controlling powers are present in him.

3.6.13.14

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …pe…

Yet you would not say that the Eighth Man stood thus without? Hence you must concede that the five controlling powers are present in him.

3.6.13.15

tena hi aṭṭhamakassa puggalassa atthi pañcindriyānīti.

therefore the eighth person has the five faculties.

Yet you would not say that the Eighth Man stood thus without? Hence you must concede that the five controlling powers are present in him.

3.6.13.16

Aṭṭhamakassa indriyakathā niṭṭhitā.

Discussion on the faculties of the eighth person is finished.