Viyahapannatti 6.1.273

6.1.273

se nūnaṃ bhaṃte! je mahāvedane se mahānijjare? je mahānijjare se mahāvedane? mahāvedaṇassa ya appavedaṇassa ya se see je pasatthanijjarāe?
haṃtā goyamā! je mahāvedane se mahānijjare, je mahānijjare se mahāvedane, mahāvedanassa ya appavedanassa ya se see je pasattha-nijjarāe|
chaṭṭha-sattamāsu ṇaṃ bhaṃte! puḍhavīsu neraiyā mahāvedanā?
haṃtā mahāvedanā|
te ṇaṃ bhaṃte! samaṇehiṃto niggaṃthehiṃto mahānijjaratarā?
goyamā! no iṇaṭṭhe samaṭṭhe|
se keṇaṃ khāi aṭṭheṇaṃ bhaṃte! evaṃ vuccai–je mahāvedane se mahānijjare? je mahānijjare se mahāvedane? mahāvedaṇassa ya appavedaṇassa ya se see je pasatthanijjarāe?
goyamā! se jahānāmae duve vatthā siyā–ege vatthe kaddamarāgaratte, ege vatthe khaṃjaṇarāgaratte| eesi ṇaṃ goyamā! doṇhaṃ vatthāṇaṃ kayare vatthe duddhoyatarāe ceva, duvāmatarāe ceva, duparikammatarāe ceva; kayare vā vatthe suddhoyatarāe ceva, suvāmatarāe ceva, suparikammatarāe ceva; je vā se vatthe kaddamarāgaratte? je vā se vatthe khaṃjaṇarāgaratte?
bhagavaṃ! tattha ṇaṃ je se kaddamarāgaratte, se ṇaṃ vatthe duddhoyatarāe ceva, duvāmatarāe ceva, dupparikammatarāe ceva, evāmeva goyamā! neraiyāṇaṃ pāvāiṃ kammāiṃ gāḍhīkayāiṃ, cikkaṇīkayāiṃ, siliṭṭhīkayāiṃ, khilībhūtāiṃ bhavaṃti| saṃpagāḍhaṃ pi ya ṇaṃ te vedanaṃ vedemāṇā no mahānijjarā, no mahāpajjavasāṇā bhavaṃti|
se jahā vā kei purise ahigaraṇiṃ āuḍemāṇe mahayā-mahayā saddeṇaṃ, mahayā-mahayā ghosenaṃ, mahayā-mahayā paraṃparāghāeṇaṃ no saṃcāei tīse ahigaraṇīe kei ahābāyare poggale parisāḍittae, evāmeva goyamā! neraiyāṇaṃ pāvāiṃ kammāiṃ gāḍhīkayāiṃ, cikkaṇīkayāiṃ, siliṭṭhīkayāiṃ, khilībhūtāiṃ bhavaṃti| saṃpagāḍhaṃ pi ya ṇaṃ te vedanaṃ vedemāṇā no mahānijjarā, no mahāpajjavasāṇā bhavaṃti|
bhagavaṃ! tattha je se khaṃjaṇarāgaratte, se ṇaṃ vatthe suddhoyatarāe ceva, suvāmatarāe ceva, supari-kammatarāe ceva, evāmeva goyamā! samaṇāṇaṃ niggaṃthāṇaṃ ahābāyarāiṃ kammāiṃ siḍhilīkayāiṃ, niṭṭhiyāiṃ kayāiṃ, vippariṇāmiyāiṃ khippāmeva viddhatthāiṃ bhavaṃti| jāvatiyaṃ tāvatiyaṃ pi ṇaṃ te vedanaṃ vedemāṇā mahānijjarā, mahāpajjavasāṇā bhavaṃti|
se jahānāmae kei purise sukkaṃ taṇahatthayaṃ jāyateyaṃsi pakkhivejjā, se nūnaṃ goyamā!
se mukke taṇahatthae jāyateyaṃsi pakkhitte samāṇe khippāmeva masamasāvijjati?
haṃtā masamasāvijjati|
evāmeva goyamā! samaṇāṇaṃ niggaṃthāṇaṃ ahābāyarāiṃ kammāiṃ, siḍhilīkayāiṃ, niṭṭhiyāiṃ kayāiṃ, vippariṇāmiyāiṃ khippāmeva viddhatthāiṃ bhavaṃti| jāvatiyaṃ tāvatiyaṃ pi ṇaṃ te vedanaṃ vedemāṇā mahānijjarā, mahāpajjavasāṇā bhavaṃti|
se jahānāmae kei purise tattaṃsi ayakavallaṃsi udagabiṃdu pakkhivejjā, se nūnaṃ goyamā! se udagabiṃdu tattaṃsi ayakavallaṃsi pakkhitte samāṇe khippāmeva viddhaṃsamāgacchai?
haṃtā viddhaṃsamāgacchai|
evāmeva goyamā! samaṇāṇaṃ niggaṃthāṇaṃ ahābāyarāiṃ kammāiṃ, siḍhilīkayāiṃ, niṭṭhiyāiṃ kayāiṃ, vippariṇāmiyāiṃ khippāmeva viddhatthāiṃ bhavaṃti| jāvatiyaṃ tāvatiyaṃ pi ṇaṃ te vedanaṃ vedemāṇā mahānijjarā, mahāpajjavasāṇā bhavaṃti| se teṇaṭṭheṇaṃ je mahāvedane se mahānijjare je mahānijjare se mahāvedane, mahāvedanassa ya appavedaṇassa ya se see je pasattha nijjarāe|

"Is it true, Venerable Sir, that one who experiences great feeling has great dissipation? That one who has great dissipation experiences great feeling? And of one with great feeling and one with little feeling, is he superior who has auspicious dissipation?"
"Yes, Gautama! One who experiences great feeling has great dissipation; one who has great dissipation experiences great feeling; and of one with great feeling and one with little feeling, he is superior who has auspicious dissipation."
"Venerable Sir, do the inhabitants of hell in the sixth and seventh earths experience great feeling?"
"Yes, they experience great feeling."
"Venerable Sir, do they have greater dissipation than the homeless śramaṇas?"
"Gautama, that matter is not correct."
"For what reason, then, Venerable Sir, is it said: 'One who experiences great feeling has great dissipation; one who has great dissipation experiences great feeling; and of one with great feeling and one with little feeling, he is superior who has auspicious dissipation'?"
"Gautama, suppose there were two garments: one garment dyed with mud-color, and one garment dyed with lampblack-color. Of these two garments, Gautama, which garment is harder to wash, harder to bleach, and harder to treat? And which garment is easier to wash, easier to bleach, and easier to treat? Is it that garment dyed with mud-color, or that garment dyed with lampblack-color?"
"Lord, among them, that which is dyed with mud-color is indeed harder to wash, harder to bleach, and harder to treat."
"Just so, Gautama, the evil karmas of the inhabitants of hell are dense, sticky, clinging, and ossified. Even while experiencing intense feeling, they do not have great dissipation and do not have a great end [to transmigration].
Or, just as if some man striking an anvil with a great, great sound, with a great, great noise, with continuous, repeated blows, is unable to knock off any gross pudgalas from that anvil; even so, Gautama, the evil karmas of the inhabitants of hell are dense, sticky, clinging, and ossified. Even while experiencing intense feeling, they do not have great dissipation and do not have a great end.
[Gautama said:] 'Lord, among them, that which is dyed with lampblack-color is indeed easier to wash, easier to bleach, and easier to treat.'
[The Lord said:] 'Just so, Gautama, the gross karmas of the homeless śramaṇas are loosened, exhausted, transformed, and quickly destroyed. Experiencing feeling to whatever extent, they have great dissipation and a great end.
Suppose, Gautama, a man were to throw a bundle of dry grass into a blazing fire. Would that bundle of grass, Gautama, thrown into the blazing fire, be quickly consumed?'
'Yes, it would be consumed.'
'Just so, Gautama, the gross karmas of the homeless śramaṇas are loosened, exhausted, transformed, and quickly destroyed. Experiencing feeling to whatever extent, they have great dissipation and a great end.
Suppose, Gautama, a man were to drop a drop of water onto a red-hot iron pan. Would that drop of water, Gautama, dropped onto the red-hot iron pan, be quickly destroyed?'
'Yes, it would be destroyed.'
'Just so, Gautama, the gross karmas of the homeless śramaṇas are loosened, exhausted, transformed, and quickly destroyed. Experiencing feeling to whatever extent, they have great dissipation and a great end. For that reason [it is said]: One who experiences great feeling has great dissipation; one who has great dissipation experiences great feeling; and of one with great feeling and one with little feeling, he is superior who has auspicious dissipation.'"