Viyahapannatti 8.10.437

8.10.437

jīve ṇaṃ bhaṃte! kiṃ poggalī? poggale?
goyamā! jīve poggalī vi, poggale vi|
se keṇaṭṭheṇaṃ bhaṃte! evaṃ vuccai–jīve poggalī vi, poggale vi?
goyamā! se jahānāmae chatteṇaṃ chattī, daṃḍeṇaṃ daṃḍī, ghaḍeṇaṃ ghaḍī, paḍeṇaṃ paḍī, kareṇaṃ karī, evāmeva goyamā! jīve vi soiṃdiya-cakkhiṃdiya-ghāṇiṃdiya-jibbhiṃdiya-phāsiṃdiyāiṃ paḍucca poggalī, jīvaṃ paḍucca poggale| se teṇaṭṭheṇaṃ goyamā! evaṃ vuccai–jīve poggalī vi, poggale vi|
neraie ṇaṃ bhaṃte! kiṃ poggalī! poggale?
evaṃ ceva| evaṃ jāva vemāṇie, navaraṃ–jassa jai iṃdiyāiṃ tassa tai bhāṇiyavvāiṃ|
siddhe ṇaṃ bhaṃte! kiṃ poggalī? poggale?
goyamā! no poggalī, poggale|
se keṇaṭṭheṇaṃ bhaṃte! evaṃ vuccai–siddhe no poggalī, poggale?
goyamā! jīvaṃ paḍucca| se teṇaṭṭheṇaṃ goyamā! evaṃ vuccai–siddhe no poggalī, poggale|
sevaṃ bhaṃte! sevaṃ bhaṃte! tti|

"Venerable Sir! Is the jīva possessed of pudgala? Is it pudgala?"
"Gautama! The jīva is both possessed of pudgala and is pudgala."
"Venerable Sir, on what grounds is it said, 'The jīva is both possessed of pudgala and is pudgala'?"
"Gautama! Just as one with an umbrella is an umbrella-bearer, with a staff is a staff-bearer, with a pot is a pot-bearer, with a cloth is a cloth-bearer, with a hand is a hand-bearer—even so, Gautama, in relation to the sense-organ of hearing, sense-organ of sight, sense-organ of smell, sense-organ of taste, and sense-organ of touch, the jīva is possessed of pudgala; while in relation to the [composite] soul, it is pudgala. On that ground, Gautama, it is said: 'The jīva is both possessed of pudgala and is pudgala.'"
"Venerable Sir! Is an inhabitant of hell possessed of pudgala? Is it pudgala?"
"Just the same. In this manner up to a vemānika, with the only difference that as many sense organs as each has, that many are to be stated."
"Venerable Sir! Is a liberated soul possessed of pudgala? Is it pudgala?"
"Gautama! It is not possessed of pudgala; it is pudgala."
"Venerable Sir, on what grounds is it said, 'A liberated soul is not possessed of pudgala; it is pudgala'?"
"Gautama! In relation to the soul [itself]. On that ground, Gautama, it is said: 'A liberated soul is not possessed of pudgala; it is pudgala.'"
"So it is, Venerable Sir! So it is, Venerable Sir!"