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Viyahapannatti 25.4

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25.4.881

"How many yugmas, Venerable Sir, have been expounded?"
"Gautama! Four yugmas have been expounded, namely: kṛtayugma up to kalyoja."
"For what reason, Venerable Sir, is it said: 'Four yugmas have been expounded, namely: kṛtayugma up to kalyoja'?"
"Just as in the eighteenth śataka, the fourth uddeśaka, exactly so up to: 'For that reason, Gautama, it is said thus.'"
"For the inhabitants of hell, Venerable Sir, how many yugmas have been expounded?"
"Gautama! Four yugmas have been expounded, namely: kṛtayugma up to kalyoja."
"For what reason, Venerable Sir, is it said: 'For the inhabitants of hell four yugmas have been expounded, namely: kṛtayugma...'?"
"The explanation is the same. Likewise up to wind-bodied souls."
"Venerable Sir, regarding plant-bodied souls—" [the query].
"Gautama! Plant-bodied souls are sometimes kṛtayugma, sometimes tryoja, sometimes dvāparayugma, sometimes kalyoja."
"For what reason, Venerable Sir, is it said: 'Plant-bodied souls up to sometimes kalyoja'?"
"Gautama! With reference to rebirth. For that reason, it is the same. Two-sensed beings are like the inhabitants of hell. Likewise up to the vaimānikas. Liberated souls are like plant-bodied souls."
"Of how many kinds, Venerable Sir, have all substances been expounded?"
"Gautama! All substances have been expounded as sixfold, namely: the substance of the principle of motion, the substance of the principle of rest up to the temporal unit of time."
"Venerable Sir, is the substance of the principle of motion, in terms of substance, kṛtayugma up to kalyoja?"
"Gautama! It is not kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma; it is kalyoja. Likewise also the substance of the principle of rest; likewise also the substance of space."
"Venerable Sir, the substance of the soul—" [the query].
"Gautama! It is kṛtayugma; not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, not kalyoja."
"Venerable Sir, the substance of matter—" [the query].
"Gautama! It is sometimes kṛtayugma up to sometimes kalyoja. The temporal unit of time is like the substance of the soul."
"Venerable Sir, is the substance of the principle of motion, in terms of space-points, kṛtayugma—" [the query]?
"Gautama! It is kṛtayugma; not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, not kalyoja. Likewise up to the temporal unit of time."
"Among these, Venerable Sir, the substance of the principle of motion, the substance of the principle of rest up to temporal units of time, in terms of substance—?"
"Their comparative numerical proportion is completely just as in the 'Many Statements'."
"Venerable Sir, is the substance of the principle of motion occupied [in space] or unoccupied?"
"Gautama! It is occupied, not unoccupied."
"If it is occupied, is it occupied by numerable space-points, occupied by innumerable space-points, or occupied by infinite space-points?"
"Gautama! It is not occupied by numerable space-points; it is occupied by innumerable space-points; it is not occupied by infinite space-points."
"If it is occupied by innumerable space-points, is it occupied by a kṛtayugma of space-points—" [the query]?
"Gautama! It is occupied by a kṛtayugma of space-points, not occupied by a tryoja of space-points, not occupied by a dvāparayugma of space-points, not occupied by a kalyoja of space-points. Likewise also the substance of the principle of rest; likewise also the substance of space. The substance of the soul, the substance of matter, and the temporal unit of time are just the same."
"Venerable Sir, is this Ratnaprabhā earth occupied or unoccupied?"
"Just as the substance of the principle of motion. Likewise up to the seventh lower earth. In Saudharma it is just the same. Likewise up to the Īṣatprāgbhārā earth."

25.4.882

"Venerable Sir, is a soul, in terms of substance, kṛtayugma—" [the query]?
"Gautama! It is not kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma; it is kalyoja. Likewise also an inhabitant of hell; likewise up to a liberated soul."
"Venerable Sir, are souls, in terms of substance, kṛtayugma—" [the query]?
"Gautama! In general terms (oghādeśena), they are kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, not kalyoja; in specific terms (vidhānādeśena), they are not kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, [but] kalyoja."
"Venerable Sir, inhabitants of hell, in terms of substance—" [the query].
"Gautama! In general terms, they are sometimes kṛtayugma up to sometimes kalyoja; in specific terms, they are not kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, [but] kalyoja. Likewise up to liberated souls."
"Venerable Sir, is a soul, in terms of space-points, kṛtayugma—" [the query]?
"Gautama! With reference to the space-points of the soul, it is kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, not kalyoja. With reference to the space-points of the body, it is sometimes kṛtayugma up to sometimes kalyoja. Likewise up to a vaimānika."
"Venerable Sir, is a liberated soul, in terms of space-points, kṛtayugma—" [the query]?
"Gautama! It is kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, not kalyoja."
"Venerable Sir, are souls, in terms of space-points, kṛtayugma—" [the query]?
"Gautama! With reference to the space-points of the soul, both in general terms and in specific terms, they are kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, not kalyoja. With reference to the space-points of the body, in general terms they are sometimes kṛtayugma up to sometimes kalyoja; in specific terms, they are kṛtayugma up to kalyoja as well. Likewise also inhabitants of hell; likewise up to vaimānikas."
"Liberated souls, Venerable Sir—" [the query].
"Gautama! Both in general terms and in specific terms, they are kṛtayugma, not tryoja, not dvāparayugma, not kalyoja."

25.4.883

"Venerable Sir, is a jīva pervaded by space points that are kṛtayugma?" [Gautama asks the full] question.
"Gautama, sometimes it is pervaded by space points that are kṛtayugma, up to sometimes pervaded by space points that are kaliyoga. In this way up to the liberated soul.
'Venerable Sir, are jīvas pervaded by space points that are kṛtayugma?'—[Gautama asks the full] question.
'Gautama, in terms of general classification they are pervaded by space points that are kṛtayugma, not pervaded by space points that are treyoga, not pervaded by space points that are dvāparayugma, not pervaded by space points that are kaliyoga; in terms of particular classification they are pervaded by space points that are kṛtayugma, up to pervaded by space points that are kaliyoga as well.'
Concerning the inhabitants of hell—[Gautama asks the] question.
'Gautama, in terms of general classification they are sometimes pervaded by space points that are kṛtayugma, up to sometimes pervaded by space points that are kaliyoga; in terms of particular classification they are pervaded by space points that are kṛtayugma as well, up to pervaded by space points that are kaliyoga as well. In this way all [beings], except one-sensed beings and liberated souls. Liberated souls and one-sensed beings are [to be stated] just like jīvas.'
'Venerable Sir, does a jīva have a lifespan duration of samayas that is kṛtayugma?'—[Gautama asks the full] question.
'Gautama, it has a lifespan duration of samayas that is kṛtayugma, not a lifespan duration of samayas that is treyoga, not a lifespan duration of samayas that is dvāparayugma, not a lifespan duration of samayas that is kaliyoga.'
'Venerable Sir, an inhabitant of hell?'—[Gautama asks the] question.
'Gautama, sometimes it has a lifespan duration of samayas that is kṛtayugma, up to sometimes it has a lifespan duration of samayas that is kaliyoga. In this way up to the vaimānika. The liberated soul is just like the jīva.'
'Venerable Sir, jīvas?'—[Gautama asks the] question.
'Gautama, both in terms of general classification and in terms of particular classification they have a lifespan duration of samayas that is kṛtayugma, not a lifespan duration of samayas that is treyoga, not a lifespan duration of samayas that is dvāparayugma, not a lifespan duration of samayas that is kaliyoga.'
Concerning the inhabitants of hell—[Gautama asks the] question.
'Gautama, in terms of general classification they have sometimes a lifespan duration of samayas that is kṛtayugma, up to sometimes a lifespan duration of samayas that is kaliyoga; in terms of particular classification they have a lifespan duration of samayas that is kṛtayugma as well, up to a lifespan duration of samayas that is kaliyoga as well. In this way up to the vaimānikas. Liberated souls are just like jīvas.'
'Venerable Sir, in terms of black-color modes, is a jīva kṛtayugma?'—[Gautama asks the full] question.
'Gautama, with respect to jīva space points, it is not kṛtayugma, up to not kaliyoga. With respect to body space points, it is sometimes kṛtayugma, up to sometimes kaliyoga. In this way up to the vaimānika. Liberated souls are not to be questioned [about this].'

25.4.884

"'Venerable Sir, in terms of black-color modes, are jīvas?'—[Gautama asks the] question.
'Gautama, with respect to jīva space points, both in terms of general classification and in terms of particular classification they are not kṛtayugma, up to not kaliyoga. With respect to body space points, in terms of general classification they are sometimes kṛtayugma, up to sometimes kaliyoga; in terms of particular classification they are kṛtayugma as well, up to kaliyoga as well. In this way up to the vaimānikas. In this way the set of twenty-four places is to be stated in terms of blue-color modes in the singular and plural; in this way up to rough-touch modes.'
'Venerable Sir, in terms of modes of sensory knowledge, is a jīva kṛtayugma?'—[Gautama asks the full] question.
'Gautama, it is sometimes kṛtayugma, up to sometimes kaliyoga. In this way, except one-sensed beings, up to the vaimānika.'
'Venerable Sir, in terms of modes of sensory knowledge, are jīvas?'—[Gautama asks the] question.
'Gautama, in terms of general classification they are sometimes kṛtayugma, up to sometimes kaliyoga; in terms of particular classification they are kṛtayugma as well, up to kaliyoga as well. In this way, except one-sensed beings, up to the vaimānikas. In this way also with respect to modes of scriptural knowledge. With respect to modes of clairvoyant knowledge also it is just the same, with the only difference: beings with incomplete senses do not possess clairvoyant knowledge. Modes of telepathic knowledge also are just the same, with the only difference: [only] for jīvas and human beings, others do not have it.'
'Venerable Sir, in terms of modes of omniscience, is a jīva kṛtayugma?'—[Gautama asks the full] question.
'Gautama, it is kṛtayugma, not treyoga, not dvāparayugma, not kaliyoga. In this way human beings too. In this way liberated souls too.'
'Venerable Sir, in terms of modes of omniscience, are jīvas kṛtayugma?'—[Gautama asks the] question.
'Gautama, both in terms of general classification and in terms of particular classification they are kṛtayugma, not treyoga, not dvāparayugma, not kaliyoga. In this way human beings too. In this way liberated souls too.'
'Venerable Sir, in terms of modes of sensory non-knowledge, is a jīva kṛtayugma?' Just as with modes of sensory knowledge, exactly so the two sets of twenty-four places [are to be stated]. In this way also with respect to modes of scriptural non-knowledge. In this way also with respect to modes of erroneous clairvoyant knowledge. In this way also with respect to modes of ocular intuition, non-ocular intuition, and clairvoyant intuition, with the only difference: whatever belongs to whomever, that should be stated. With respect to modes of omniscient intuition, [it is] just as with modes of omniscience."

25.4.885

"How many bodies, Venerable Sir, have been taught?"
"Gautama, five bodies have been taught, namely: gross, up to karmic. Here the chapter on bodies is to be stated in its entirety, just as in the Prajñāpanā."

25.4.886

"'Venerable Sir, are jīvas in motion or motionless?'
'Gautama, jīvas are both in motion and motionless.'
'Why is it said, Venerable Sir, that jīvas are both in motion and motionless?'
'Gautama, jīvas have been taught to be of two kinds, namely: those who are transmigrating and those who are not transmigrating. Among them, those who are not transmigrating are liberated souls. Liberated souls have been taught to be of two kinds, namely: the immediately liberated and the conventionally liberated. Among them, those who are conventionally liberated are motionless. Among them, those who are immediately liberated are in motion.'
'Venerable Sir, are they moving in part or moving in whole?'
'Gautama, they are not moving in part; they are moving in whole. Among them, those who are transmigrating have been taught to be of two kinds, namely: those who have attained the śaileśī state and those who have not attained the śaileśī state. Among them, those who have attained the śaileśī state are motionless; among them, those who have not attained the śaileśī state are in motion.'
'Venerable Sir, are they moving in part or moving in whole?'
'Gautama, they are moving in part as well as moving in whole. For that reason, Gautama, it is said that jīvas are both in motion and motionless.'
'Venerable Sir, are the inhabitants of hell moving in part or moving in whole?'
'Gautama, they are moving in part as well as moving in whole.'
'Why is it said, up to moving in whole as well?'
'Gautama, the inhabitants of hell have been taught to be of two kinds, namely: those undergoing motion with turns and those not undergoing motion with turns. Among them, those undergoing motion with turns are moving in whole; among them, those not undergoing motion with turns are moving in part. For that reason, up to moving in whole as well. In this way up to the vaimānikas.'"

25.4.887

"Venerable Sir! Are atomic pudgalas numerable, innumerable, or infinite?"
"Gautama! They are not numerable, nor innumerable; they are infinite. In this manner up to infinite-space-point aggregates.
"Venerable Sir! Are pudgalas occupying one space-point numerable, innumerable, or infinite?"
"In the very same manner. In this manner up to [pudgalas] occupying innumerable space-points.
"Venerable Sir! Are pudgalas of one-instant duration numerable...?"
"In the very same manner. In this manner up to [pudgalas] of innumerable-instant duration.
"Venerable Sir! Are pudgalas of one degree of blackness numerable...?"
"In the very same manner. In this manner up to [pudgalas] of infinite degrees of blackness. In this manner, the remaining colours, odours, tastes, and touches are also to be understood, up to [pudgalas] of infinite degrees of dryness.
"Between these atomic pudgalas, Venerable Sir, and two-space-point aggregates, which are more in terms of substance?"
"Gautama! Atomic pudgalas are more in terms of substance than two-space-point aggregates."
"Between these two-space-point aggregates, Venerable Sir, and three-space-point aggregates, which are more in terms of substance?"
"Gautama! Two-space-point aggregates are more in terms of substance than three-space-point aggregates. In this way, by this method, up to: nine-space-point aggregates are more in terms of substance than ten-space-point aggregates.
"Between these ten-space-point aggregates, Venerable Sir—[the same] question."
"Gautama! Numerable-space-point aggregates are more in terms of substance than ten-space-point aggregates."
"Between these numerable-space-point aggregates, Venerable Sir—[the same] question."
"Gautama! Innumerable-space-point aggregates are more in terms of substance than numerable-space-point aggregates."
"Between these innumerable-space-point aggregates, Venerable Sir—[the same] question."
"Gautama! Innumerable-space-point aggregates are more in terms of substance than infinite-space-point aggregates."
"Between these atomic pudgalas, Venerable Sir, and two-space-point aggregates, which are more in terms of space-points?"
"Gautama! Two-space-point aggregates are more in terms of space-points than atomic pudgalas. In this way, by this method, up to: ten-space-point aggregates are more in terms of space-points than nine-space-point aggregates. Thus the question is to be asked everywhere. Numerable-space-point aggregates are more in terms of space-points than ten-space-point aggregates. Innumerable-space-point aggregates are more in terms of space-points than numerable-space-point aggregates.
"Between these innumerable-space-point aggregates, Venerable Sir—[the same] question."
"Gautama! Innumerable-space-point aggregates are more in terms of space-points than infinite-space-point aggregates."
"Between these pudgalas occupying one space-point, Venerable Sir, and [those] occupying two space-points, which are specifically greater in terms of substance?"
"Gautama! Pudgalas occupying one space-point are specifically greater in terms of substance than pudgalas occupying two space-points. In this way, by this method, pudgalas occupying two space-points are specifically greater in terms of substance than pudgalas occupying three space-points, up to: pudgalas occupying nine space-points are specifically greater in terms of substance than pudgalas occupying ten space-points. Pudgalas occupying numerable space-points are more in terms of substance than pudgalas occupying ten space-points. Pudgalas occupying innumerable space-points are more in terms of substance than pudgalas occupying numerable space-points. The question is to be stated everywhere.
"Between these pudgalas occupying one space-point, Venerable Sir, and [those] occupying two space-points, which are specifically greater in terms of space-points?"
"Gautama! Pudgalas occupying two space-points are specifically greater in terms of space-points than pudgalas occupying one space-point. In this manner up to: pudgalas occupying ten space-points are specifically greater in terms of space-points than pudgalas occupying nine space-points. Pudgalas occupying numerable space-points are more in terms of space-points than pudgalas occupying ten space-points. Pudgalas occupying innumerable space-points are more in terms of space-points than pudgalas occupying numerable space-points."
"Between these pudgalas of one-instant duration, Venerable Sir, and [those] of two-instant duration, in terms of substance...?"
"As is the statement regarding occupation, so also regarding duration."
"Between these pudgalas of one degree of blackness, Venerable Sir, and [those] of two degrees of blackness, in terms of substance...?"
"Concerning these, the exposition is entirely the same as for atomic pudgalas and the rest. The same for all colours, odours, and tastes.
"Between these pudgalas of one degree of roughness, Venerable Sir, and [those] of two degrees of roughness, which are specifically greater in terms of substance?"
"Gautama! Pudgalas of two degrees of roughness are specifically greater in terms of substance than pudgalas of one degree of roughness. In this manner up to: pudgalas of ten degrees of roughness are specifically greater in terms of substance than pudgalas of nine degrees of roughness. Pudgalas of numerable degrees of roughness are more in terms of substance than pudgalas of ten degrees of roughness. Pudgalas of innumerable degrees of roughness are more in terms of substance than pudgalas of numerable degrees of roughness. Pudgalas of infinite degrees of roughness are more in terms of substance than pudgalas of innumerable degrees of roughness. The same also in terms of space-points. Everywhere the question is to be stated. As roughness, so also soft, heavy, and light. Cold, hot, smooth, and dry are as colors."

25.4.888

"Venerable Sir! Among these atom-pudgalas, numerable-space-point aggregates, innumerable-space-point aggregates, and infinite-space-point aggregates, in terms of substance, in terms of space-points, and in terms of substance and space-points, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater than which?"
"Gautama! The fewest are the infinite-space-point aggregates in terms of substance; atom-pudgalas are infinitely more in terms of substance; numerable-space-point aggregates are numerably more in terms of substance; innumerable-space-point aggregates are innumerably more in terms of substance. In terms of space-points: the fewest are infinite-space-point aggregates in terms of space-points; atom-pudgalas are infinitely more in terms of having no space-points [beyond one]; numerable-space-point aggregates are numerably more in terms of space-points; innumerable-space-point aggregates are innumerably more in terms of space-points. In terms of substance and space-points: the fewest are infinite-space-point aggregates in terms of substance; those very ones are infinitely more in terms of space-points; atom-pudgalas are infinitely more in terms of substance and space-points; numerable-space-point aggregates are numerably more in terms of substance; those very ones are numerably more in terms of space-points; innumerable-space-point aggregates are innumerably more in terms of substance; those very ones are innumerably more in terms of space-points.

"Venerable Sir! Among these pudgalas occupying one space-point, occupying numerable space-points, and occupying innumerable space-points, in terms of substance, in terms of space-points, and in terms of substance and space-points, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater than which?"
"Gautama! The fewest are pudgalas occupying one space-point in terms of substance; pudgalas occupying numerable space-points are numerably more in terms of substance; pudgalas occupying innumerable space-points are innumerably more in terms of substance. In terms of space-points: the fewest are pudgalas occupying one space-point in terms of having no [multiple] space-points; pudgalas occupying numerable space-points are numerably more in terms of space-points; pudgalas occupying innumerable space-points are innumerably more in terms of space-points. In terms of substance and space-points: the fewest are pudgalas occupying one space-point in terms of substance and having no [multiple] space-points; pudgalas occupying numerable space-points are numerably more in terms of substance; those very ones are numerably more in terms of space-points; pudgalas occupying innumerable space-points are innumerably more in terms of substance; those very ones are innumerably more in terms of space-points.

"Venerable Sir! Among these pudgalas with a lifespan duration of one samaya, with a lifespan duration of numerable samayas, and with a lifespan duration of innumerable samayas?"
Just as with space-occupancy, so also the relative quantity must be stated for lifespan duration.

"Venerable Sir! Among these pudgalas of one degree of blackness, of numerable degrees of blackness, of innumerable degrees of blackness, and of infinite degrees of blackness, in terms of substance, in terms of space-points, and in terms of substance and space-points, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater than which?"
Their relative quantity is just like the relative quantity of atom-pudgalas; so too is the relative quantity of these. The same applies to the remaining colors, smells, and tastes.

"Venerable Sir! Among these pudgalas of one degree of roughness, of numerable degrees of roughness, of innumerable degrees of roughness, and of infinite degrees of roughness, in terms of substance, in terms of space-points, and in terms of substance and space-points, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater than which?"
"Gautama! The fewest are pudgalas of one degree of roughness in terms of substance; pudgalas of numerable degrees of roughness are numerably more in terms of substance; pudgalas of innumerable degrees of roughness are innumerably more in terms of substance; pudgalas of infinite degrees of roughness are infinitely more in terms of substance. In terms of space-points it is just the same, with the only difference being: pudgalas of numerable degrees of roughness are innumerably more in terms of space-points; the rest is just the same. In terms of substance and space-points: the fewest are pudgalas of one degree of roughness in terms of substance and space-points; pudgalas of numerable degrees of roughness are numerably more in terms of substance; those very ones are numerably more in terms of space-points; pudgalas of innumerable degrees of roughness are innumerably more in terms of substance; those very ones are innumerably more in terms of space-points; pudgalas of infinite degrees of roughness are infinitely more in terms of substance; those very ones are infinitely more in terms of space-points.
So too is the relative quantity of smooth, heavy, and light. For cold, hot, unctuous, and dry, it is just like for the colors."

25.4.889

"Venerable Sir! In terms of substance, is an indivisible atom (paramāṇu-pudgala) a kṛtayugma, a treyojā, a dvāparayugma, or a kaliyoga?"
"Gautama! It is not a kṛtayugma, not a treyojā, not a dvāparayugma; it is a kaliyoga. In this way up to an aggregate composed of infinite space-points (pradeśas).
"Venerable Sir! In terms of substance, are indivisible atoms kṛtayugma—[the same] question?"
"Gautama! By general designation (oghādeśa), sometimes they are kṛtayugma up to sometimes kaliyoga. By particular designation (vibhāgādeśa), they are not kṛtayugma, not treyojā, not dvāparayugma; they are kaliyoga. In this way up to aggregates composed of infinite space-points.
"Venerable Sir! In terms of space-points, is an indivisible atom a kṛtayugma—question?"
"Gautama! It is not a kṛtayugma, not a treyojā, not a dvāparayugma; it is a kaliyoga.
Concerning a two-space-point [aggregate]—question.
"Gautama! It is not a kṛtayugma, not a treyojā; it is a dvāparayugma, not a kaliyoga.
Concerning a three-space-point [aggregate]—question.
"Gautama! It is not a kṛtayugma; it is a treyojā, not a dvāparayugma, not a kaliyoga.
Concerning a four-space-point [aggregate]—question.
"Gautama! It is a kṛtayugma, not a treyojā, not a dvāparayugma, not a kaliyoga. A five-space-point [aggregate] is like an indivisible atom. A six-space-point [aggregate] is like a two-space-point one. A seven-space-point [aggregate] is like a three-space-point one. An eight-space-point [aggregate] is like a four-space-point one. A nine-space-point [aggregate] is like an indivisible atom. A ten-space-point [aggregate] is like a two-space-point one.
"Venerable Sir! Concerning an aggregate of numerable space-points—question."
"Gautama! Sometimes it is a kṛtayugma up to sometimes a kaliyoga. In this way also an aggregate of innumerable space-points and an aggregate of infinite space-points.
"Venerable Sir! In terms of space-points, are indivisible atoms kṛtayugma—question?"
"Gautama! By general designation, sometimes they are kṛtayugma up to sometimes kaliyoga. By particular designation, they are not kṛtayugma, not treyojā, not dvāparayugma; they are kaliyoga.
Concerning two-space-point [aggregates]—question.
"Gautama! By general designation, sometimes they are kṛtayugma, not treyojā, sometimes dvāparayugma, not kaliyoga. By particular designation, they are not kṛtayugma, not treyojā; they are dvāparayugma, not kaliyoga.
Concerning three-space-point [aggregates]—question.
"Gautama! By general designation, sometimes they are kṛtayugma up to sometimes kaliyoga. By particular designation, they are not kṛtayugma; they are treyojā, not dvāparayugma, not kaliyoga.
Concerning four-space-point [aggregates]—question.
"Gautama! Both by general designation and by particular designation, they are kṛtayugma, not treyojā, not dvāparayugma, not kaliyoga. Five-space-point [aggregates] are like indivisible atoms. Six-space-point [aggregates] are like two-space-point ones. Seven-space-point [aggregates] are like three-space-point ones. Eight-space-point [aggregates] are like four-space-point ones. Nine-space-point [aggregates] are like indivisible atoms. Ten-space-point [aggregates] are like two-space-point ones.
Concerning numerable-space-point [aggregates]—question.
"Gautama! By general designation, sometimes they are kṛtayugma up to sometimes kaliyoga. By particular designation, they are also kṛtayugma up to also kaliyoga. In this way also innumerable-space-point [aggregates] and infinite-space-point [aggregates].
"Venerable Sir! Has an indivisible atom occupied kṛtayugma space-points—question?"
"Gautama! It has not occupied kṛtayugma space-points, not occupied treyojā space-points, not occupied dvāparayugma space-points; it has occupied kaliyoga space-points.
Concerning a two-space-point [aggregate]—question.
"Gautama! It has not occupied kṛtayugma space-points, not occupied treyojā space-points; sometimes it has occupied dvāparayugma space-points, sometimes it has occupied kaliyoga space-points.
Concerning a three-space-point [aggregate]—question.
"Gautama! It has not occupied kṛtayugma space-points; sometimes it has occupied treyojā space-points, sometimes it has occupied dvāparayugma space-points, sometimes it has occupied kaliyoga space-points.
Concerning a four-space-point [aggregate]—question.
"Gautama! Sometimes it has occupied kṛtayugma space-points up to sometimes it has occupied kaliyoga space-points. In this way up to an aggregate of infinite space-points.
"Venerable Sir! Have indivisible atoms occupied kṛtayugma space-points—question?"
"Gautama! By general designation, they have occupied kṛtayugma space-points, not occupied treyojā space-points, not occupied dvāparayugma space-points, not occupied kaliyoga space-points. By particular designation, they have not occupied kṛtayugma space-points, not occupied treyojā space-points, not occupied dvāparayugma space-points; they have occupied kaliyoga space-points.
Concerning two-space-point [aggregates]—question.
"Gautama! By general designation, they have occupied kṛtayugma space-points, not occupied treyojā space-points, not occupied dvāparayugma space-points, not occupied kaliyoga space-points. By particular designation, they have not occupied kṛtayugma space-points, not occupied treyojā space-points; they have also occupied dvāparayugma space-points, and also occupied kaliyoga space-points.
Concerning three-space-point [aggregates]—question.
"Gautama! By general designation, they have occupied kṛtayugma space-points, not occupied treyojā space-points, not occupied dvāparayugma space-points, not occupied kaliyoga space-points. By particular designation, they have not occupied kṛtayugma space-points; they have also occupied treyojā space-points, also occupied dvāparayugma space-points, and also occupied kaliyoga space-points.
Concerning four-space-point [aggregates]—question.
"Gautama! By general designation, they have occupied kṛtayugma space-points, not occupied treyojā space-points, not occupied dvāparayugma space-points, not occupied kaliyoga space-points. By particular designation, they have occupied kṛtayugma space-points up to also occupied kaliyoga space-points. In this way up to aggregates of infinite space-points.
"Venerable Sir! Has an indivisible atom a duration of kṛtayugma time-instants (samayas)—question?"
"Gautama! Sometimes it has a duration of kṛtayugma time-instants up to sometimes it has a duration of kaliyoga time-instants. In this way up to an aggregate of infinite space-points.
"Venerable Sir! Do indivisible atoms—question?"
"Gautama! By general designation, sometimes they have a duration of kṛtayugma time-instants up to sometimes a duration of kaliyoga time-instants. By particular designation, they also have a duration of kṛtayugma time-instants up to also a duration of kaliyoga time-instants. In this way up to aggregates of infinite space-points.
"Venerable Sir! In terms of black colour-modes, is an indivisible atom a kṛtayugma or a treyojā? As with duration, the statement [is made] likewise for all colours. Likewise also for odours. Also for tastes, up to sweet taste.
"Venerable Sir! In terms of rough touch-modes, is an aggregate of infinite space-points a kṛtayugma—question?"
"Gautama! Sometimes it is a kṛtayugma up to sometimes a kaliyoga.
"Venerable Sir! In terms of rough touch-modes, are aggregates of infinite space-points kṛtayugma—question?"
"Gautama! By general designation, sometimes they are kṛtayugma up to sometimes kaliyoga. By particular designation, they are also kṛtayugma up to also kaliyoga. In this way smooth, heavy, and light [touch-modes] are also to be stated. Cold, hot, unctuous, and dry are [to be stated] just like colours."

25.4.890

"Venerable Sir! Is an ultimate atom-pudgala divisible in half or indivisible in half?"
"Gautama! It is not divisible in half; it is indivisible in half."
"[Concerning] a two-space-point one—[the same] question."
"Gautama! It is divisible in half, not indivisible in half. A three-space-point one is like an ultimate atom-pudgala. A four-space-point one is like a two-space-point one. A five-space-point one is like a three-space-point one. A six-space-point one is like a two-space-point one. A seven-space-point one is like a three-space-point one. An eight-space-point one is like a two-space-point one. A nine-space-point one is like a three-space-point one. A ten-space-point one is like a two-space-point one."
"[Concerning] a numerable-space-point aggregate, Venerable Sir—[the same] question."
"Gautama! It may be divisible in half, or it may be indivisible in half. Likewise also an innumerable-space-point one. Likewise also an infinite-space-point one."
"Venerable Sir! Are [multiple] ultimate atom-pudgalas divisible in half or indivisible in half?"
"Gautama! They are either divisible in half or indivisible in half. Likewise up to infinite-space-point [aggregates]."

25.4.891

"Venerable Sir! Is an ultimate atom-pudgala in motion or motionless?"
"Gautama! Sometimes it is in motion, sometimes motionless. In this way up to an infinite-space-point aggregate."
"Venerable Sir! Are [multiple] ultimate atom-pudgalas in motion or motionless?"
"Gautama! They are both in motion and motionless. In this way up to infinite-space-point aggregates."
"Venerable Sir! How long does an ultimate atom-pudgala remain in motion in terms of time?"
"Gautama! At minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerableth part of an āvalikā."
"Venerable Sir! How long does an ultimate atom-pudgala remain motionless in terms of time?"
"Gautama! At minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time. In this way up to an infinite-space-point aggregate."
"Venerable Sir! How long do [multiple] ultimate atom-pudgalas remain in motion in terms of time?"
"Gautama! For all time."
"Venerable Sir! How long do [multiple] ultimate atom-pudgalas remain motionless in terms of time?"
"Gautama! For all time. In this way up to infinite-space-point aggregates."
"Venerable Sir! For how much time is there an interval for an ultimate atom-pudgala being in motion?"
"Gautama! Dependent on the interval of the same state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time; dependent on the interval of another state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time."
"For how much time is there an interval for [its] being motionless?"
"Gautama! Dependent on the interval of the same state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerableth part of an āvalikā; dependent on the interval of another state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time."
"Venerable Sir! For a two-space-point aggregate in motion—the question?"
"Gautama! Dependent on the interval of the same state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time; dependent on the interval of another state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for infinite time."
"For how much time is there an interval for [its] being motionless?"
"Gautama! Dependent on the interval of the same state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerableth part of an āvalikā; dependent on the interval of another state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for infinite time. In this way up to an infinite-space-point aggregate."
"Venerable Sir! For how much time is there an interval for [multiple] ultimate atom-pudgalas in motion?"
"Gautama! There is no interval."
"For how much time is there an interval for [their] being motionless?"
"Gautama! There is no interval. In this way up to infinite-space-point aggregates."
"Venerable Sir! Among these ultimate atom-pudgalas in motion and motionless, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater compared to which?"
"Gautama! Ultimate atom-pudgalas in motion are the fewest; the motionless are innumerably-fold more. In this way up to innumerable-space-point aggregates."
"Venerable Sir! Among these infinite-space-point aggregates in motion and motionless, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater compared to which?"
"Gautama! Infinite-space-point aggregates motionless are the fewest; those in motion are infinitely-fold more."
"Venerable Sir! Among these ultimate atom-pudgalas, numerable-space-point, innumerable-space-point, and infinite-space-point aggregates in motion and motionless, in terms of substance, in terms of space-points, and in terms of substance and space-points, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater compared to which?"
"Gautama! 1. Motionless infinite-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are the fewest. 2. Infinite-space-point aggregates in motion in terms of substance are infinitely-fold more. 3. Ultimate atom-pudgalas in motion in terms of substance are infinitely-fold more. 4. Numerable-space-point aggregates in motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 5. Innumerable-space-point aggregates in motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 6. Motionless ultimate atom-pudgalas in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 7. Motionless numerable-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are numerably-fold more. 8. Motionless innumerable-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. In terms of space-points it is just the same, with the difference that ultimate atom-pudgalas are to be stated as having no space-points.
Motionless numerable-space-point aggregates in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. The rest is just the same.
In terms of substance and space-points: 1. Motionless infinite-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are the fewest. 2. Those very ones in terms of space-points are infinitely-fold more. 3. Infinite-space-point aggregates in motion in terms of substance are infinitely-fold more. 4. Those very ones in terms of space-points are infinitely-fold more. 5. Ultimate atom-pudgalas in motion in terms of substance, having no space-points, are infinitely-fold more. 6. Numerable-space-point aggregates in motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 7. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. 8. Innumerable-space-point aggregates in motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 9. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. 10. Motionless ultimate atom-pudgalas in terms of substance, having no space-points, are innumerably-fold more. 11. Motionless numerable-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 12. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. 13. Motionless innumerable-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 14. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more."
"Venerable Sir! Is an ultimate atom-pudgala in partial motion, in total motion, or motionless?"
"Gautama! It is not in partial motion; sometimes it is in total motion, sometimes motionless."
"Venerable Sir! For a two-space-point aggregate—the question?"
"Gautama! Sometimes it is in partial motion, sometimes in total motion, sometimes motionless. In this way up to an infinite-space-point aggregate."
"Venerable Sir! Are [multiple] ultimate atom-pudgalas in partial motion, in total motion, or motionless?"
"Gautama! They are not in partial motion; they are both in total motion and motionless."
"Venerable Sir! For [multiple] two-space-point aggregates—the question?"
"Gautama! They are in partial motion, in total motion, and motionless. In this way up to infinite-space-point aggregates."
"Venerable Sir! How long does an ultimate atom-pudgala remain in total motion in terms of time?"
"Gautama! At minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerableth part of an āvalikā."
"How long does it remain motionless in terms of time?"
"Gautama! At minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time."
"Venerable Sir! How long does a two-space-point aggregate remain in partial motion in terms of time?"
"Gautama! At minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerableth part of an āvalikā."
"How long does it remain in total motion in terms of time?"
"Gautama! At minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerableth part of an āvalikā."
"How long does it remain motionless in terms of time?"
"Gautama! At minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time.
In this way up to an infinite-space-point aggregate."
"Venerable Sir! How long do [multiple] ultimate atom-pudgalas remain in total motion in terms of time?"
"Gautama! For all time."
"How long do they remain motionless in terms of time? For all time."
"Venerable Sir! How long do two-space-point aggregates remain in partial motion in terms of time? For all time."
"How long do they remain in total motion in terms of time? For all time."
"How long do they remain motionless in terms of time? For all time. In this way up to infinite-space-point aggregates."
"Venerable Sir! For how much time is there an interval for an ultimate atom-pudgala being in total motion?"
"Gautama! Dependent on the interval of the same state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time; dependent on the interval of another state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum just the same."
"For how much time is there an interval for [its] being motionless?"
"Dependent on the interval of the same state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerableth part of an āvalikā; dependent on the interval of another state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time."
"Venerable Sir! For a two-space-point aggregate, for how much time is there an interval for [its] being in partial motion?"
"Dependent on the interval of the same state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerable time; dependent on the interval of another state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for infinite time."
"For how much time is there an interval for [its] being in total motion? Just the same as for being in partial motion."
"For how much time is there an interval for [its] being motionless?"
"Dependent on the interval of the same state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for an innumerableth part of an āvalikā; dependent on the interval of another state, at minimum for one samaya, at maximum for infinite time. In this way up to an infinite-space-point aggregate."
"Venerable Sir! For [multiple] ultimate atom-pudgalas in total motion, for how much time is there an interval? There is no interval."
"For [their] being motionless, for how much time is there an interval? There is no interval."
"Venerable Sir! For two-space-point aggregates in partial motion, for how much time is there an interval? There is no interval."
"For [their] being in total motion, for how much time is there an interval? There is no interval."
"For [their] being motionless, for how much time is there an interval? There is no interval. In this way up to infinite-space-point aggregates."
"Venerable Sir! Among these ultimate atom-pudgalas in total motion and motionless, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater compared to which?"
"Gautama! Ultimate atom-pudgalas in total motion are the fewest; the motionless are innumerably-fold more."
"Venerable Sir! Among these two-space-point aggregates in partial motion, in total motion, and motionless, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater compared to which?"
"Gautama! Two-space-point aggregates in total motion are the fewest; those in partial motion are innumerably-fold more; the motionless are innumerably-fold more. In this way up to innumerable-space-point aggregates."
"Venerable Sir! Among these infinite-space-point aggregates in partial motion, in total motion, and motionless, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater compared to which?"
"Gautama! Infinite-space-point aggregates in total motion are the fewest; the motionless are infinitely-fold more; those in partial motion are infinitely-fold more."
"Venerable Sir! Among these ultimate atom-pudgalas, numerable-space-point, innumerable-space-point, and infinite-space-point aggregates in partial motion, in total motion, and motionless, in terms of substance, in terms of space-points, and in terms of substance and space-points, which are fewer, more, equal, or specifically greater compared to which?"
"Gautama! 1. Infinite-space-point aggregates in total motion in terms of substance are the fewest. 2. Motionless infinite-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are infinitely-fold more. 3. Infinite-space-point aggregates in partial motion in terms of substance [are infinitely-fold more]. 4. Innumerable-space-point aggregates in total motion in terms of substance are infinitely-fold more. 5. Numerable-space-point aggregates in total motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 6. Ultimate atom-pudgalas in total motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 7. Numerable-space-point aggregates in partial motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 8. Innumerable-space-point aggregates in partial motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 9. Motionless ultimate atom-pudgalas in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 10. Motionless numerable-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are numerably-fold more. 11. Motionless innumerable-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more.
In terms of space-points—the fewest are infinite-space-point aggregates; in this way in terms of space-points also, with the difference that ultimate atom-pudgalas are to be stated as having no space-points. Motionless numerable-space-point aggregates in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. The rest is just the same.
In terms of substance and space-points: 1. Infinite-space-point aggregates in total motion in terms of substance are the fewest. 2. Those very ones in terms of space-points are infinitely-fold more. 3. Motionless infinite-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are infinitely-fold more. 4. Those very ones in terms of space-points are infinitely-fold more. 5. Infinite-space-point aggregates in partial motion in terms of substance are infinitely-fold more. 6. Those very ones in terms of space-points are infinitely-fold more. 7. Innumerable-space-point aggregates in total motion in terms of substance are infinitely-fold more. 8. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. 9. Numerable-space-point aggregates in total motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 10. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. 11. Ultimate atom-pudgalas in total motion in terms of substance, having no space-points, are innumerably-fold more. 12. Numerable-space-point aggregates in partial motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 13. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. 14. Innumerable-space-point aggregates in partial motion in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 15. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more. 16. Motionless ultimate atom-pudgalas in terms of substance, having no space-points, are innumerably-fold more. 17. Motionless numerable-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are numerably-fold more. 18. Those very ones in terms of space-points are numerably-fold more. 19. Motionless innumerable-space-point aggregates in terms of substance are innumerably-fold more. 20. Those very ones in terms of space-points are innumerably-fold more."

25.4.892

"How many central space-points of the substance of Dharma, Venerable Sir, are taught?"
"Gautama, eight central space-points of the substance of Dharma are taught."
"How many central space-points of the substance of Adharma, Venerable Sir, are taught?" "Just the same."
"How many central space-points of the substance of space, Venerable Sir, are taught?" "Just the same."
"How many central space-points of the substance of jīva, Venerable Sir, are taught?"
"Gautama, eight central space-points of the substance of jīva are taught."
"In how many space-points of space, Venerable Sir, do these eight central space-points of the substance of jīva reside?"
"Gautama, at minimum in one, or in two, or in three, or in four, or in five, or in six; at maximum in eight; but never indeed in seven."
"That is so, Venerable Sir! That is so, Venerable Sir!"

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