Kathavatthu 2.3: Kaṅkhākathā

2.3.1.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

Controverted Point: That an Arahant may have doubts.

2.3.1.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

Controverted Point: That an Arahant may have doubts.

2.3.1.3

Atthi arahato vicikicchā vicikicchāpariyuṭṭhānaṃ vicikicchāsaṃyojanaṃ vicikicchānīvaraṇanti?

Does an arahant have doubt, the outburst of doubt, the fetter of doubt, the hindrance of doubt?

2.3.1.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

2.3.2.1

Natthi arahato vicikicchā vicikicchāpariyuṭṭhānaṃ vicikicchāsaṃyojanaṃ vicikicchānīvaraṇanti?

Does an arahant not have doubt, the outburst of doubt, the fetter of doubt, the hindrance of doubt?

2.3.2.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.2.3

Hañci natthi arahato vicikicchā vicikicchāpariyuṭṭhānaṃ vicikicchāsaṃyojanaṃ vicikicchānīvaraṇaṃ, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If an arahant does not have doubt, the outburst of doubt, the fetter of doubt, the hindrance of doubt, then indeed, sir, it should not be said:

2.3.2.4

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.3.1

Atthi puthujjanassa kaṅkhā, atthi tassa vicikicchā vicikicchāpariyuṭṭhānaṃ vicikicchāsaṃyojanaṃ vicikicchānīvaraṇanti?

Does an ordinary person have doubt, and do they have doubt, the outburst of doubt, the fetter of doubt, the hindrance of doubt?

2.3.3.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.3.3

Atthi arahato kaṅkhā, atthi tassa vicikicchā vicikicchāpariyuṭṭhānaṃ vicikicchāsaṃyojanaṃ vicikicchānīvaraṇanti?

Does an arahant have doubt, and do they have doubt, the outburst of doubt, the fetter of doubt, the hindrance of doubt?

2.3.3.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

2.3.4.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhā, natthi tassa vicikicchā vicikicchāpariyuṭṭhānaṃ vicikicchāsaṃyojanaṃ vicikicchānīvaraṇanti?

Does an arahant have doubt, yet not have doubt, the outburst of doubt, the fetter of doubt, the hindrance of doubt?

2.3.4.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.4.3

Atthi puthujjanassa kaṅkhā, natthi tassa vicikicchā vicikicchāpariyuṭṭhānaṃ vicikicchāsaṃyojanaṃ vicikicchānīvaraṇanti?

Does an ordinary person have doubt, yet not have doubt, the outburst of doubt, the fetter of doubt, the hindrance of doubt?

2.3.4.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …pe….

2.3.5.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.5.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.5.3

Atthi arahato satthari kaṅkhā, dhamme kaṅkhā, saṅghe kaṅkhā, sikkhāya kaṅkhā, pubbante kaṅkhā, aparante kaṅkhā, pubbantāparante kaṅkhā, idappaccayatāpaṭiccasamuppannesu dhammesu kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt about the Teacher, doubt about the Dhamma, doubt about the Saṅgha, doubt about the training, doubt about the past, doubt about the future, doubt about both the past and the future, doubt about conditionally arisen phenomena having specific conditionality?

2.3.5.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe.

It should not be said thus.

2.3.6.1

Natthi arahato satthari kaṅkhā, dhamme kaṅkhā …pe… idappaccayatāpaṭiccasamuppannesu dhammesu kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant not have doubt about the Teacher, doubt about the Dhamma …pe… doubt about conditionally arisen phenomena having specific conditionality?

2.3.6.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.6.3

Hañci natthi arahato satthari kaṅkhā, dhamme kaṅkhā …pe… idappaccayatāpaṭiccasamuppannesu dhammesu kaṅkhā, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If an arahant does not have doubt about the Teacher, doubt about the Dhamma …pe… doubt about conditionally arisen phenomena having specific conditionality, then indeed, sir, it should not be said:

2.3.6.4

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.7.1

Atthi puthujjanassa kaṅkhā, atthi tassa satthari kaṅkhā, dhamme kaṅkhā …pe… idappaccayatāpaṭiccasamuppannesu dhammesu kaṅkhāti?

Does an ordinary person have doubt, and do they have doubt about the Teacher, doubt about the Dhamma …pe… doubt about conditionally arisen phenomena having specific conditionality?

2.3.7.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.7.3

Atthi arahato kaṅkhā, atthi tassa satthari kaṅkhā, dhamme kaṅkhā …pe… idappaccayatāpaṭiccasamuppannesu dhammesu kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt, and do they have doubt about the Teacher, doubt about the Dhamma …pe… doubt about conditionally arisen phenomena having specific conditionality?

2.3.7.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe.

It should not be said thus.

2.3.8.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhā, natthi tassa satthari kaṅkhā, dhamme kaṅkhā …pe… idappaccayatāpaṭiccasamuppannesu dhammesu kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt, yet not have doubt about the Teacher, doubt about the Dhamma …pe… doubt about conditionally arisen phenomena having specific conditionality?

2.3.8.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.8.3

Atthi puthujjanassa kaṅkhā, natthi tassa satthari kaṅkhā, dhamme kaṅkhā …pe… idappaccayatāpaṭiccasamuppannesu dhammesu kaṅkhāti?

Does an ordinary person have doubt, yet not have doubt about the Teacher, doubt about the Dhamma …pe… doubt about conditionally arisen phenomena having specific conditionality?

2.3.8.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe.

It should not be said thus.

2.3.9.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.9.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.9.3

Nanu arahato rāgo pahīno ucchinnamūlo tālāvatthukato anabhāvaṅkato āyatiṃ anuppādadhammoti?

Is lust not abandoned in an arahant, cut off at the root, made like a palm stump, obliterated, not subject to arise in the future?

2.3.9.4

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.9.5

Hañci arahato rāgo pahīno ucchinnamūlo tālāvatthukato anabhāvaṅkato āyatiṃ anuppādadhammo, no ca vata re vattabbe—

If lust is abandoned in an arahant, cut off at the root, made like a palm stump, obliterated, not subject to arise in the future, then indeed, sir, it should not be said:

2.3.9.6

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.10.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.10.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.10.3

Nanu arahato doso pahīno …pe…

Is hatred not abandoned in an arahant …pe…

2.3.10.4

moho pahīno …pe…

is delusion not abandoned …pe…

2.3.10.5

anottappaṃ pahīnaṃ …pe…

is lack of moral dread not abandoned …pe…

2.3.10.6

rāgappahānāya maggo bhāvito …pe…

has the path for abandoning lust not been cultivated …pe…

2.3.10.7

bojjhaṅgā bhāvitā …pe…

have the factors of awakening not been cultivated …pe…

2.3.10.8

dosappahānāya …pe…

for abandoning hatred …pe…

2.3.10.9

anottappapahānāya maggo bhāvito …pe…

has the path for abandoning lack of moral dread not been cultivated …pe…

2.3.10.10

bojjhaṅgā bhāvitā;

have the factors of awakening not been cultivated;

2.3.10.11

nanu arahā vītarāgo vītadoso vītamoho …pe…

is an arahant not free from lust, free from hatred, free from delusion …pe…

2.3.10.12

sacchikātabbaṃ sacchikatanti?

has that which should be realized not been realized?

2.3.10.13

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.10.14

Hañci arahā vītarāgo vītadoso vītamoho …pe…

If an arahant is free from lust, free from hatred, free from delusion …pe…

2.3.10.15

sacchikātabbaṃ sacchikataṃ, no ca vata re vattabbe—

and that which should be realized has been realized, then indeed, sir, it should not be said:

2.3.10.16

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.11.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.11.2

Sadhammakusalassa arahato atthi kaṅkhā, paradhammakusalassa arahato natthi kaṅkhāti.

An arahant skilled in their own doctrine has doubt, while an arahant skilled in the doctrine of others does not have doubt.

2.3.11.3

Sadhammakusalassa arahato atthi kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant skilled in his own doctrine have doubt?

2.3.11.4

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.11.5

Paradhammakusalassa arahato atthi kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant skilled in the doctrine of others have doubt?

2.3.11.6

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

2.3.12.1

Paradhammakusalassa arahato natthi kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant skilled in the doctrine of others not have doubt?

2.3.12.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.12.3

Sadhammakusalassa arahato natthi kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant skilled in his own doctrine not have doubt?

2.3.12.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

2.3.13.1

Sadhammakusalassa arahato rāgo pahīno, atthi tassa kaṅkhāti?

In an arahant skilled in his own doctrine, lust is abandoned; does he have doubt?

2.3.13.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.13.3

Paradhammakusalassa arahato rāgo pahīno, atthi tassa kaṅkhāti?

In an arahant skilled in the doctrine of others, lust is abandoned; does he have doubt?

2.3.13.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

2.3.14.1

Sadhammakusalassa arahato doso pahīno …pe…

In an arahant skilled in his own doctrine, hatred is abandoned …

2.3.14.2

moho pahīno …pe…

delusion is abandoned …

2.3.14.3

anottappaṃ pahīnaṃ …pe…

lack of moral dread is abandoned …

2.3.14.4

rāgappahānāya maggo bhāvito …pe…

the path has been developed for the abandoning of lust …

2.3.14.5

bojjhaṅgā bhāvitā …pe…

the factors of awakening have been developed …

2.3.14.6

dosappahānāya …pe…

for the abandoning of hatred …

2.3.14.7

mohappahānāya …pe…

for the abandoning of delusion …

2.3.14.8

anottappapahānāya maggo bhāvito …pe…

the path has been developed for the abandoning of lack of moral dread …

2.3.14.9

bojjhaṅgā bhāvitā …pe…

the factors of awakening have been developed …

2.3.14.10

sadhammakusalo arahā vītarāgo vītadoso vītamoho …pe…

an arahant skilled in his own doctrine is free from lust, free from hatred, free from delusion …

2.3.14.11

sacchikātabbaṃ sacchikataṃ, atthi tassa kaṅkhāti?

that which should be realized has been realized; does he have doubt?

2.3.14.12

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.14.13

Paradhammakusalo arahā vītarāgo vītadoso vītamoho …pe…

An arahant skilled in the doctrine of others is free from lust, free from hatred, free from delusion …

2.3.14.14

sacchikātabbaṃ sacchikataṃ, atthi tassa kaṅkhāti?

that which should be realized has been realized; does he have doubt?

2.3.14.15

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe…

It should not be said thus …

2.3.14.16

paradhammakusalassa arahato rāgo pahīno, natthi tassa kaṅkhāti?

In an arahant skilled in the doctrine of others, lust is abandoned; does he not have doubt?

2.3.14.17

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.14.18

Sadhammakusalassa arahato rāgo pahīno, natthi tassa kaṅkhāti?

In an arahant skilled in his own doctrine, lust is abandoned; does he not have doubt?

2.3.14.19

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

2.3.15.1

Paradhammakusalassa arahato doso pahīno …pe…

In an arahant skilled in the doctrine of others, hatred is abandoned …

2.3.15.2

moho pahīno …pe…

delusion is abandoned …

2.3.15.3

anottappaṃ pahīnaṃ …pe…

lack of moral dread is abandoned …

2.3.15.4

rāgappahānāya maggo bhāvito …pe…

the path has been developed for the abandoning of lust …

2.3.15.5

bojjhaṅgā bhāvitā …pe…

the factors of awakening have been developed …

2.3.15.6

dosappahānāya …pe…

for the abandoning of hatred …

2.3.15.7

mohappahānāya …pe…

for the abandoning of delusion …

2.3.15.8

anottappapahānāya maggo bhāvito …pe…

the path has been developed for the abandoning of lack of moral dread …

2.3.15.9

bojjhaṅgā bhāvitā …pe…

the factors of awakening have been developed …

2.3.15.10

paradhammakusalo arahā vītarāgo vītadoso vītamoho …pe…

an arahant skilled in the doctrine of others is free from lust, free from hatred, free from delusion …

2.3.15.11

sacchikātabbaṃ sacchikataṃ, natthi tassa kaṅkhāti?

that which should be realized has been realized; does he not have doubt?

2.3.15.12

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.15.13

Sadhammakusalo arahā vītarāgo vītadoso vītamoho …pe…

An arahant skilled in his own doctrine is free from lust, free from hatred, free from delusion …

2.3.15.14

sacchikātabbaṃ sacchikataṃ, natthi tassa kaṅkhāti?

that which should be realized has been realized; does he not have doubt?

2.3.15.15

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

2.3.16.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.16.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.16.3

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

2.3.16.4

“jānatohaṃ, bhikkhave, passato āsavānaṃ khayaṃ vadāmi, no ajānato no apassato.

“Monks, I declare the destruction of the effluents for one who knows and sees, not for one who does not know and does not see.

2.3.16.5

Kiñca, bhikkhave, jānato kiṃ passato āsavānaṃ khayo hoti?

And knowing what, monks, seeing what, does the destruction of the effluents occur?

2.3.16.6

‘Iti rūpaṃ’ …pe…

‘Such is material form’ …

2.3.16.7

‘iti viññāṇassa atthaṅgamo’ti—

‘such is the passing away of consciousness’—

2.3.16.8

evaṃ kho, bhikkhave, jānato evaṃ passato āsavānaṃ khayo hotī”ti.

thus, monks, knowing thus, seeing thus, the destruction of the effluents occurs”?

2.3.16.9

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a discourse?

2.3.16.10

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.16.11

Tena hi na vattabbaṃ—

Therefore it should not be said—

2.3.16.12

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.17.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.17.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.17.3

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

2.3.17.4

“jānatohaṃ, bhikkhave, passato āsavānaṃ khayaṃ vadāmi, no ajānato no apassato.

“Monks, I say that the destruction of the taints is for one who knows, for one who sees, not for one who does not know, not for one who does not see.

2.3.17.5

Kiñca, bhikkhave, jānato kiṃ passato āsavānaṃ khayo hoti?

And knowing what, monks, seeing what is there the destruction of the taints?

2.3.17.6

‘Idaṃ dukkhan’ti, bhikkhave …pe…

‘This is suffering,’ monks … [and so on] …

2.3.17.7

‘ayaṃ dukkhanirodhagāminī paṭipadā’ti jānato passato āsavānaṃ khayo hoti.

‘this is the practice leading to the cessation of suffering’—for one knowing, for one seeing, there is the destruction of the taints.

2.3.17.8

Evaṃ kho, bhikkhave, jānato evaṃ passato āsavānaṃ khayo hotī”ti.

Indeed, monks, knowing thus, seeing thus, there is the destruction of the taints”?

2.3.17.9

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a Suttanta discourse?

2.3.17.10

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.17.11

Tena hi na vattabbaṃ—

Therefore it should not be said:

2.3.17.12

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.18.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.18.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.18.3

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

2.3.18.4

“sabbaṃ, bhikkhave, anabhijānaṃ aparijānaṃ avirājayaṃ appajahaṃ abhabbo dukkhakkhayāya;

“Monks, without directly knowing, fully understanding, dispassionately fading, [and] abandoning all, one is incapable of the destruction of suffering;

2.3.18.5

sabbañca kho, bhikkhave, abhijānaṃ parijānaṃ virājayaṃ pajahaṃ bhabbo dukkhakkhayāyā”ti.

and indeed, monks, by directly knowing, fully understanding, dispassionately fading, [and] abandoning all, one is capable of the destruction of suffering”?

2.3.18.6

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a Suttanta discourse?

2.3.18.7

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.18.8

Tena hi na vattabbaṃ—

Therefore it should not be said:

2.3.18.9

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.19.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.19.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.19.3

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

2.3.19.4

“sahāvassa dassanasampadāya …pe…

“With his attainment of vision … [and so on] …

2.3.19.5

chaccābhiṭhānāni abhabba kātun”ti.

he is incapable of committing the six major misdeeds”?

2.3.19.6

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a Suttanta discourse?

2.3.19.7

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.19.8

Tena hi na vattabbaṃ—

Therefore it should not be said:

2.3.19.9

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.20.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.20.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.20.3

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

2.3.20.4

“yasmiṃ, bhikkhave, samaye ariyasāvakassa virajaṃ vītamalaṃ dhammacakkhuṃ udapādi—

“At whatever time, monks, the dustless, stainless eye of the Dhamma arose in the noble disciple—

2.3.20.5

‘yaṃ kiñci samudayadhammaṃ sabbaṃ taṃ nirodhadhamman’ti, saha dassanuppādā, bhikkhave, ariyasāvakassa tīṇi saṃyojanāni pahīyanti—

‘whatever is subject to arising is all subject to cessation’—together with the arising of vision, monks, three fetters are abandoned by the noble disciple:

2.3.20.6

sakkāyadiṭṭhi, vicikicchā, sīlabbataparāmāso”ti.

identity view, doubt, and attachment to rules and vows”?

2.3.20.7

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there such a Suttanta discourse?

2.3.20.8

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.20.9

Tena hi na vattabbaṃ—

Therefore it should not be said:

2.3.20.10

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.21.1

Atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.21.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.21.3

Nanu vuttaṃ bhagavatā—

Was it not said by the Blessed One:

Theravādin: Again, did not the Exalted One say in the Suttanta:

2.3.22.1

“Yadā have pātubhavanti dhammā,

“When, truly, things become manifest

“Whene'er in sooth ardently meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
All doubts are rolled away, for now he knoweth
That which befalls and likewise its conditions.

2.3.22.2

Ātāpino jhāyato brāhmaṇassa;

To the ardent, meditating brahmin,

“Whene'er in sooth ardently meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
All doubts are rolled away, for now he knoweth
That which befalls and likewise its conditions.

2.3.22.3

Athassa kaṅkhā vapayanti sabbā,

Then all his doubts vanish away,

“Whene'er in sooth ardently meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
All doubts are rolled away, for now he knoweth
That which befalls and likewise its conditions.

2.3.22.4

Yato pajānāti sahetudhammanti.

Since he understands a thing together with its cause.

“Whene'er in sooth ardently meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
All doubts are rolled away, for now he knoweth
That which befalls and likewise its conditions.

2.3.23.1

Yadā have pātubhavanti dhammā,

When, truly, things become manifest

“Whene'er in sooth ardently meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
All doubts are rolled away, for he discerneth
That which doth make befall may be abolished.

2.3.23.2

Ātāpino jhāyato brāhmaṇassa;

To the ardent, meditating brahmin,

“Whene'er in sooth ardently meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
All doubts are rolled away, for he discerneth
That which doth make befall may be abolished.

2.3.23.3

Athassa kaṅkhā vapayanti sabbā,

Then all his doubts vanish away,

“Whene'er in sooth ardently meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
All doubts are rolled away, for he discerneth
That which doth make befall may be abolished.

2.3.23.4

Yato khayaṃ paccayānaṃ avedīti.

Since he has known the destruction of conditions.

“Whene'er in sooth ardently meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
All doubts are rolled away, for he discerneth
That which doth make befall may be abolished.

2.3.24.1

Yadā have pātubhavanti dhammā,

When, truly, things become manifest

“Whene'er in sooth ardent and meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
He standeth victor o'er the hosts of evil,
E'en as the sun that lighteth up the heavens.

2.3.24.2

Ātāpino jhāyato brāhmaṇassa;

To the ardent, meditating brahmin,

“Whene'er in sooth ardent and meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
He standeth victor o'er the hosts of evil,
E'en as the sun that lighteth up the heavens.

2.3.24.3

Vidhūpayaṃ tiṭṭhati mārasenaṃ,

He stands scattering the army of Māra,

“Whene'er in sooth ardent and meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
He standeth victor o'er the hosts of evil,
E'en as the sun that lighteth up the heavens.

2.3.24.4

Sūriyova obhāsayamantalikkhanti.

Like the sun illuminating the sky.

“Whene'er in sooth ardent and meditating
The brahmin sees the truth of things revealed,
He standeth victor o'er the hosts of evil,
E'en as the sun that lighteth up the heavens.

2.3.25.1

Yā kāci kaṅkhā idha vā huraṃ vā,

Whatever doubts there are, here or beyond,

“All doubts soever as to here or yonder.
Felt by themselves, or doubts that torture others
Thinkers renounce in ardent meditation.
Choosing to follow after holy conduct.

2.3.25.2

Sakavediyā vā paravediyā vā;

Self-experienced or experienced through others,

“All doubts soever as to here or yonder.
Felt by themselves, or doubts that torture others
Thinkers renounce in ardent meditation.
Choosing to follow after holy conduct.

2.3.25.3

Jhāyino tā pajahanti sabbā,

Meditators abandon them all,

“All doubts soever as to here or yonder.
Felt by themselves, or doubts that torture others
Thinkers renounce in ardent meditation.
Choosing to follow after holy conduct.

2.3.25.4

Ātāpino brahmacariyaṃ carantāti.

Ardent, living the holy life.

“All doubts soever as to here or yonder.
Felt by themselves, or doubts that torture others
Thinkers renounce in ardent meditation.
Choosing to follow after holy conduct.

2.3.26.1

Ye kaṅkhāsamatikkantā,

Those who have overcome doubt,

“They who 'mong souls beset by doubts, past all doubt
Have won, and note unswayed, from bonds enfranchised
Abide, to them a great reward is given.

2.3.26.2

kaṅkhābhūtesu pāṇisu;

Among beings who are full of doubt,

“They who 'mong souls beset by doubts, past all doubt
Have won, and note unswayed, from bonds enfranchised
Abide, to them a great reward is given.

2.3.26.3

Asaṃsayā visaṃyuttā,

Free from uncertainty, detached,

“They who 'mong souls beset by doubts, past all doubt
Have won, and note unswayed, from bonds enfranchised
Abide, to them a great reward is given.

2.3.26.4

tesu dinnaṃ mahapphalanti.

gifts given to them bear great fruit.

“They who 'mong souls beset by doubts, past all doubt
Have won, and note unswayed, from bonds enfranchised
Abide, to them a great reward is given.

2.3.27.1

Etādisī dhammapakāsanettha,

Such is the exposition of the Dhamma here;

“How should disciple ever doubt
That by the kind who here abide
The truth may yet be realized?
All hail to Buddha who hath crossed
The flood and severed every doubt,
Great Conqueror and Lord of all”?

2.3.27.2

Na tattha kiṃ kaṅkhati koci sāvako;

no disciple doubts anything in it.

“How should disciple ever doubt
That by the kind who here abide
The truth may yet be realized?
All hail to Buddha who hath crossed
The flood and severed every doubt,
Great Conqueror and Lord of all”?

2.3.27.3

Nitthiṇṇaoghaṃ vicikicchachinnaṃ,

He who has crossed over the flood, who has severed doubt—

“How should disciple ever doubt
That by the kind who here abide
The truth may yet be realized?
All hail to Buddha who hath crossed
The flood and severed every doubt,
Great Conqueror and Lord of all”?

2.3.27.4

Buddhaṃ namassāma jinaṃ janindā”ti.

we revere that Buddha, the conqueror, ruler of men”?

“How should disciple ever doubt
That by the kind who here abide
The truth may yet be realized?
All hail to Buddha who hath crossed
The flood and severed every doubt,
Great Conqueror and Lord of all”?

2.3.28.1

Attheva suttantoti?

Is there indeed such a sutta passage?

2.3.28.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.28.3

Tena hi na vattabbaṃ—

Therefore it should not be said:

2.3.28.4

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.29.1

Na vattabbaṃ—

Should it not be said:

2.3.29.2

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti?

“An arahant has doubt”?

2.3.29.3

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.29.4

Nanu arahā itthipurisānaṃ nāmagotte kaṅkheyya, maggāmagge kaṅkheyya, tiṇakaṭṭhavanappatīnaṃ nāme kaṅkheyyāti?

Might not an arahant doubt about the names and clans of women and men, doubt about the right and wrong roads, doubt about the names of grasses, trees, and lordly plants?

2.3.29.5

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.29.6

Hañci arahā itthipurisānaṃ nāmagotte kaṅkheyya, maggāmagge kaṅkheyya, tiṇakaṭṭhavanappatīnaṃ nāme kaṅkheyya;

If an arahant might doubt about the names and clans of women and men, doubt about the right and wrong roads, doubt about the names of grasses, trees, and lordly plants,

2.3.29.7

tena vata re vattabbe—

then indeed you should say:

2.3.29.8

“atthi arahato kaṅkhā”ti.

“An arahant has doubt.”

2.3.30.1

Arahā itthipurisānaṃ nāmagotte kaṅkheyya, maggāmagge kaṅkheyya, tiṇakaṭṭhavanappatīnaṃ nāme kaṅkheyyāti, atthi arahato kaṅkhāti?

Because an arahant might doubt about the names and clans of women and men, doubt about the right and wrong roads, doubt about the names of grasses, trees, and lordly plants, does an arahant have doubt?

2.3.30.2

Āmantā.

Yes.

2.3.30.3

Arahā sotāpattiphale vā sakadāgāmiphale vā anāgāmiphale vā arahatte vā kaṅkheyyāti?

Might an arahant doubt about the fruit of stream-entry, or about the fruit of once-returning, or about the fruit of non-returning, or about arahantship?

2.3.30.4

Na hevaṃ vattabbe …pe….

It should not be said thus …

2.3.30.5

Kaṅkhākathā niṭṭhitā.

Discussion on Doubt is finished.